Export customers just saw that they could buy 200 secondhand Leopards for the same price as 10 Leclercs more than anything lol.
“Leclerc has no real growth potential” - which part in particular? The digital databus which enabled greater scalability and reliability of electronics? The modular armour that could be readily replaced? The ability to retrofit a more powerful 140mm armament with relative ease?
again cope much?
Swedish trials the lekek failed cuz of technial difficulties
Greek trials they tired to sabotage the competition with false claims jammers…
the only export customer was the UAE (iirc with the EPP cuz whoop di doo, hyperbar sucks) and Jordan who bought them second hand from the UAE lol
so they arrived in the digial age like everyone else, congrats
you can slap as much addon on the tank as you want, it wont solve the internal armor issues…
the Lekek is just not a modular design.
soooo… like Rheinmetall has plans for the Leo 2’s with the 130? Wow…
its not even a new concept eighter , the Leclerc T4 (Termi) tried that years ago and… nothing burger. budget-cuts is what turned the Landforces into the sad husk they are today.
The Lekek gets upgrades towards its service life end, they still dont have a modern IFV, their SAM game is as bad as everyone else’…
we have seen ‘‘possible’’ Lekek upgrades on Eurosatory for years now, and nothing happens.
A competition where the French put forth a pre-series tank from a program still very much in its adolescence.
GPS jammers would surely impact any shooting or mobility testing.
The UAE decided to go with the EuroPowerPack due to the fact they had a stake in Renk and it benefitted them financially more than anything.
So when did Leopard 2s receive a digibus?
Ah yes, a photo slapped together by some unknown person on the internet. Truly you are the epitome of human intellect. But I’ll be patient with your deficiencies and instead show you the modular nature of the armour:
And will probably require a rather large redesign of the turret, no?
What?
Hello, dotEXCEL .
have you asked the french mains if they want any german MBT’s though?
Depends on whether you mean stricte just a DigiBus, or a Digital CAN-BUS, it has had the latter ever since the 2A5 (1995) to my knowledge.
2PL and 2A5DK fx use INTOPS, 2A6 HEL has a digital MIL-BUS, 2A7V I don’t actually know tbh.
And will probably require a rather large redesign of the turret, no?
Pretty much zero in terms of mounting. In fact, the KF-51-U that we’ve seen is just a Leopard 2/PT-19 turret with the Rh 130 pushed into it. The biggest re-design is in the rear as some electronics have to be removed in order to fit the autoloader, but apart from that nothing else needs to be done for a Leo 2 to mount the Rh 130, which all things considered, is relatively easy to carry out as Leo 2s are getting MB 883 now it seems, so they’ll have extra space.
It’s the ‘still doesn’t have a modern IFV’ that really sells this as a Pro-German/Anti-French bias issue
Hello, Nero
Coupé… VBCI sing exactly modern and pls don’t be the Type of frenchie who calls your 40mm scout car and ifv.
Yes, CAN-BUS was introduced on Strv 122s. Irrespective of that, the Leclerc was the first tank to be designed around a digital data bus. And whilst there have very likely been upgrades to the electronic architecture of both the Leopard 2 and Leclerc which we can’t know anything about, it must be considered that as early as 2013 the Germans still encountered issues with handling the data feed from the possible installation of new thermal cameras:
ATTICA Megapixel is form and fit in the appropriate optics configuration but current tanks are still not able to handle the higher data rate in the harness and the monitor
From: Cassidian Optronics - A modular packaging approach for upgrading tanks with staring thermal imagers
Meanwhile, the French had installed a comparable (if not more capable) system on the Leclerc 10 years prior with deliveries of batch-9 Leclercs in 2003. In this respect, the Leclerc has certainly demonstrated greater growth potential.
There’s also other things that could be argued, for example the depth of either tanks’ vetronics: The Leclerc could keep track of the ammunition (and its type) used and on standby and relay it to nearby tanks to coordinate attacks. But alas, I can’t be bothered going to that level of depth.
No re-arrangement of the armour layout (especially the breech) to accommodate the new gun? No structural changes to incorporate an autoloader? No additional stress on the gun drives which would need to be resolved?
The VBCI isn’t exactly old, and in any case it will be modernised in the coming years and will likely be fitted with a similar turret to that found on the EBRC Jaguar. This would make it a far better weapon system than an IFV like the Boxer RCT30 which Germany is in the process of procuring.
Let’s also not forget that the VBCI manages to be a protected vehicle than the Boxer whilst not being nearly as obese…
Last time I checked even the official KNDS France dossier about the Vbci talks about up to 30mm apdsfs protection due to modular armor the standard fitted to in service Vic’s is Stanag 4569 lvl 4 . We both know the only ones fitted with the addon are the VBCI 2 protos which weigh as much as boxer if not even more with the possible introduction of the jaguar turret you mention. So the weight argument makes no sense. is Boxer is Stanag 4569 lvl 6 frontally always and 5 on the sides by the way.
These are the add-on modules which consist of UHH steel and titanium:
It would weigh ~29 tonnes. About 10 tonnes less than the Boxer Waffenträger if the suggestion for it is correct despite the VBCI Mk2 being a far more potent weapon system lol.
It’s not though? It’s only rated as STANAG 4 on the sides.
The VBCi 2 proto alone is 32 tonns already. And it would get even heavier with the big turret of the jaguar.
You’re seriously not citing War Thunder Wiki as a source, are you? 32 tonnes is the maximum permissible weight of the VBCI Mk2 - do tell how it could possibly be more…
Erm… Guys , off topic
I’m not citing wt wiki. The VCI alone already weighs 25 tons and your trying to tell me that all the addon armor to get it to lvl 6 front and lvl 5 sides from 14.5mm protection+ a turret with a 40mm only weighs 4 tonns sure
What are you waffling about?
The VBCI Mk1 has an empty weight of 17.7t. The VBCI Mk2 has an empty weight of <19t. The VBCI Mk1 VPC here:
Has a combat weight of 23.3t. I wonder where those almost 6 tonnes come from (surely not the 12.7mm RCWS)? Or is this all beyond your comprehension?
In all seriousness - what sources are you citing? Your Wehraboo wet dreams?
Turret, loader system ammo storage, stronger engine for all i know. Eletronics thermals.
U csm get quickly up in weight
