U guys give me a lot to think. Now I consider Kurnass 2000 should be in 11.7, but 12.0 is somehow too much, I’ll give my idea.
F-16A, with 6 9Ls and better airframes, 12.3, no doubt kurnass should be lower than that for more than just 0.3
F-4j(uk), despite the faster FGR.2 model. They all have greater engine power. Since the Kurnass 2000 has the same engine as F-4E. There’s slightly less window to shoot ur Python 3 without radar locking in this plane. Even if u lock a enemy , it give them a RWR warning so they can notice and flare ur missle easily. U can see now almost all planes now got Large Caliber flares, it make it harder to get a kill if u get spoted. The lack of Aim-7e2 of Skyflash means Kurnass 2000 can’t even go aggresive in confrontation, all it can do is to keep in 39 to avoid SARH missile and later pulled into a dog fight with Planes with better airframe and more engine powered. No HMD also means u can’t perform a effient missle kill with all-aspects in dogfight.
Mig-23MLD, this is a 11.7 stuff but goes and turn faster than Kurnass while have r60m which is extremly fast in 1km range, and 2 R24R which can perform as good as any other SARH if u lock on enemy and fire instanly before they release counter measures, the PD of R24R will ignore the counter measure even Mig-23’s radar is distracted by them.
4.F-111F a not-that-good 11.7 example, and is carries 9ls and goes really fast with large amount of flares. But most of u won’t even be killed by this thing
Generally this is about how Kurnass 2000 should be in 11.7, this game overrated 9L and Python 3 too much. The irccm is a essential factor for a IR missile. Magic 2 goes well because it accelarrate real fast and unlock G real soon so people don’t have time to make movement against its IRCCM while Python 3 accelarate slower and have no IRCCM and a like 900m G lock during which it only go straight
The Kurnass 2000 can dogfight with little issue really. The 4th gen’s are the only issue (which it would see less of at a lower BR). The Python 3 is still a vastly superior missile to the Aim-9L, as it adds extra range/acceleration, as well as the ability to be used in headons (which not many people know about and die constantly because of this).
The defensive capabilities are a massive improvement, but it doesn’t mean you need to prioritize or focus on staying defensive. Having an additional 200 flares is extremely helpful and lets you deal with IR missiles with little issue at all and the ability to spam CMs is quite nice. These are just a few small things, I could go on. You don’t need radar guided missiles at 12.0 to be effective (12.3 is high, just pointing that out again before someone attacks me thinking I don’t think this lol, it needs to go down in BR, but no lower than 12.0).
Getting no idea what u mean“vastly superior”.
A normal missile with no Extra Range, no IRCCMs, no Thrust Vector/Immediate maneuver after launch and f**king super High Flare Sensitivity
It’s considered as a uptier factor just because GAIJIN THINKS ITS A TOPTIER MISSILE(I mean regarding the PL-8 after the research of PL-5E2 with everything worse than PL-5s)
The planes that use magic 2 are limited to just 2 of them on this br, 6 python 3 are overall a better choice, most of 12.0 doesnt have irccm to begin with and many arent even all aspects and it is at the end of the day the best non-irccm missiles.
Btw the phyton 3 accelerates quite fast, for the first second it is actually faster than the r60s or even magic 2 and after the sustainer kicks in you it will keeps accelerating faster than the aim 9L
Well then let’s break this down:
It does have more range, that’s a simple fact. Only in very niche scenarios does it lose energy in a way in which the Aim-9L can hit a target it can’t (this will practically never happen in a match). For all intensive purposes, it’s a longer range missile. It doesn’t need IRCCM, it has pretty good rear aspect flare resistance anyway, and it doesn’t need to thrust vector as it don’t a dogfight missile. One of the best Non-IRCCM IR AAMs there is as it is. It’s not extremely flare sensitive, it isn’t an R-60, you just seem to be improperly using it with your launch parameters should you have come to such a conclusion.
Another thing worth quickly mentioning before someone gets mistaken here (not you, but someone else possibly), it’s the exact same seekerhead as the Aim-9L, I’ve seen someone say it’s similar so thought I’d clarify this here. It isn’t just similar, it’s a copy paste. However, there’s an advantage to this. Back when the sidewinders were nerfed with a longer arming time, this missile was immune to this change. This little thing is what allows it to be used in headons.
Another thing to note is the larger warhead.
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Some enemies may be able to shrug off a hit from a 9L, but not a Python 3. It has a massive forehead warhead and I have yet to see anyone limp back to base after getting hit by it.
The final quality that makes it so good at what it is: the acceleration.
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It’s absurdly fast and reaches the targets in the blink of an eye. Logically speaking this gives the missile better flare resistance since it’s closer to the target than the Aim-9L would be within this time and is able to defeat flares better. This quality also allows it to catch enemies off guard as they don’t tend to expect a missile to kill them that fast from that distance. Similar advantage from some Chinese AAMs if you’re familiar with them.
Gaijin sees it as a better Aim-9L, and rightfully so.
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However yeah it ain’t a top tier missile, it’s just an upgrade over the Aim-9L if anything. It’s good but it’s not enough to warrant the top slot on the J-10, the Netz at 12.7, the Kurnass 2000 at 12.3. However vehicles like the Kfir C.7/C.2 and Thai F-5s do sit at the appropriate BRs despite carrying this weapon.
Yeah the Kurnass 2000 is definitely overtiered but I don’t think it should be 11.3-11.7, 12.0 would probably be best for it. It should not be the same BR as something like the F/A-18A being added in the next update.