SPYDER’s (the SR specifically) did not need changes while fielding a base Derby, I-Derby and/or I-Derby ER (with the difference being the SR would be designated ER with the I-Derby ER)
Additionally, the rails can still support them. They are still advertised since the early 2000’s to be carried by the same aircraft with the same rails.
This is still just a 3rd party website doing reporting on claims after all, and again it just supports the integration of the weapon which is known. They still don’t use Derbys, even if integrated.
They are different systems at the end of the day, I’m still skeptical when it comes to aircraft and their integration. Iirc unless we have evidence of backwards compatibility of some kind, gaijin assumes it isn’t and proof of integration is needed (might be delulu).
It is known that the same aircraft can still carry the Derby as mentioned (ofc over time things get removed and added due to availability). I don’t think more is needed
Old Derby brochure
I-Derby brochure
Old I-Derby ER brochure
I-Derby brochure
Only thing that might limit it, but not fully interfere could possibly be the data link
This ain’t enough to prove this. It stating it’s capable of seamless integration doesn’t give us what we need. To prove a Derby equipped aircraft can use the I-Derby series, you would need something saying backwards compatibility is present for that. This seemingly either only relates to non-Derby equipped aircraft being capable of having it integrated, or it proves what I suspected that the I-Derbys still need integration on even Derby equipped aircraft (too vague to determine which).
Is it saying that it is already adapted or that it is able to be adapted to those aircraft
Should be already adapted, as all listed aircraft (except Mirage 2000 and F/A-50, idk about those) had it either mounted once, was displayed with them or has them planned
I do not know however if additional equipment is needed to add Derby’s for integration, as the LAU rails do not have a problem carrying them
What Basher says is true, but I think it will remain a mystery. The only thing I can add is that when Colombia’s Kfir fleet was upgraded, the Colombian Air Force (FAC) only acquired the I-Derby-ER missile along with the 2052 radars, and I believe it should have been upgraded to use them, even though the standard Derby was already in use.
As I understand it: Able to be adapted. The Derby isn’t something you can just put on said planes and use right away if that’s what you’re asking, it needs integration just like the vast majority of similar AAMs.
The problem is Compatibility ≠ Capability. These listed aircraft are capable of having the weapon integrated (as specified and even defined within these excerpts), but without integration they are not compatible. By this logic it’s not already adapted by default, it’s not a plug and play type of missile. It’s designed to be reeeeally easy to adapt, but it still requires adaptation nonetheless.
This is also one of the cruxes of my hunch, ofc it could also be that they only decided to obtain the missiles as apart of the fleet upgrade so that’s definitely something to consider still, but from what we know it’s definitely not unreasonable to infer the C.10 couldn’t use the I-Derby series until the Block 60 modernization.
Perhaps, but the Colombian Kfir C10/12 variant could have been equipped with the I-Derby missile. It was a gradual process: first the Derby (first modernización) , then the I-Derby and finally, when the AESA radars were purchased, the ER missiles were acquired (Block 60 versión) . There is no official information, but the website infodefensa claims that Colombia possessed the I-Derby variant before this. These missiles (I-Derby) were purchased along with the Python 5 missiles.
Lacks a radar, retains the C.2/7 Radar rangefinder in th nose. Only the C.10 could use Derby variants in Colombian service. It was pretty much a Kfir C.10 in every way EXCEPT that lol
C.12:
In fact bro, if I’m not mistaken, the Kfir C12 can use the Derby missile because, although it doesn’t have the radar, it does have the datalink system, the same one I’ve been mentioning ad nauseam that the Block 60 version has (Link 16). All Colombian Kfirs have datalink system, including the two-seaters without radar! (TC-10/12) so they can also use Derby missiles; in fact, the question would be whether they can use the I-Derby (ER) versions.
Correct, but it needs to be guided in by another plane. For War Thunder, that’s not a thing and likely won’t ever be due to game limitations and it’s unrealistic usability of being reliant/dependent on another users actions (same for buddy lasing).
A while back because of these images I used to think the TC.10 could use the Derby lol, I think my messages from that are still on here somewhere in the C.10 Block 60 suggestion thread. (I also don’t believe I’ve seen any pics of the C.12 with the Derby yet, but I have seen plenty of the TC.10 like as pictured here)
Of course, bro, but if this proves that the in-game Kfir C10 should have datalink capability, we already made the suggestion. It’s definitely a shame that the Snail added the Kfir C10 in such an incomplete state, and the worst part is that we have to fight to get it fixed. Basher, would you support the Kfir C10 Blk 60 being able to have the I-Derby-ER and Python 5 missiles in the future?
I’ve been one of the top supporters asking for it since the vehicle was first announced
Great bro, It’s good to know that one of the best forum members is on our side. I also hope that this powerful vehicle in the game can have its real configuration because, in fact, the I-Derby-ER and Python 5 missiles are emblematic for the FAC on its Kfirs.
Hey bro… I found a Kfir C.12 with Derby missiles. This is a screenshot from a video. So they definitely have the datalink system (link 16). I’m also adding the report here so you can support us.
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[DEV] Kfir C.10 Block 60 Missing Data Link Capabilities // Gaijin.net // Issues
Exactly, that’s great. This image also reminds me that the Kfir C.10 has the 30mm DEFA cannon, but the variant shown in the game is incorrect (552A). The correct variant should be DEFA 553, the same cannon as the A-4E Ayit (Because it is the variant that the IAF used and which it modified nationally). We’ve already reported this, but sadly, Gaijin doesn’t seem to care.
DEFA 553 Cannons Kfir C10 Block 60 // Gaijin.net // Issues
