I understand. It depends on many factors involved between the ARH missile launch and a potential kill. but I do think adding the I-Derby (a Derby with a datalink and improved countermeasures resistance) could be a good option while the long-range, two-stage missile mechanics like the I-Derby-ER are being implemented.
Of course, that doesn’t make sense. I haven’t given up hope of playing the Kfir C.10 in its final form, with its top-tier historical armament, as it also has avionics that will help it perform at a higher battle ratio.
Sure bro Thank you for your valuable help in understanding these topics that are sometimes confused between historical reality and their application in the game.
It’s not that’s it’s the only one that can, it’s just the only on that did. Their upgrades introduced Derby integration, but they never bought any to use with it.
The HAL Tejas can also use the I-Derby-ER and the Python 5. I’m sure this fighter will be added to the game at some point with this armament, in addition to Russian and Indian missiles. But it would be unfair if the Kfir C.10 couldn’t have these missiles. In fact, compared to the F-5 Super Tigris (Thai), I think the Kfir should have a higher BR (13.7 or 14) with these missiles, as well as the I-Derby and the P4.
The Indian Su-30 can as well! The India Tejas, Su-30, Kfir C.10 B60, and Israeli F-16 testbeds remain the only I-Derby integrated/equipped aircraft to this day.
how do you know they were integrated with i derby and not the normal derby? I can’t tell any obvious physical differences between the normal one and the i versions
I-Derby ER was offered to the IAF (Indian Air Force) to replace their aging R-77s, this is well documented. Surbiassemaxxing knows more about this than me and he wrote a suggestion on the aircraft which includes said armament in his suggestion so I trust his verdict and the articles that claimed such as well
They’re differences in minor details, dude. For example, between the regular Derby and the I-Derby, the difference is the Datalink capacity and a better seeker with ECCM (I mean, they’re not physical differences), but the I-Derby-ER does have some small physical differences:
I honestly don’t know how those small details affect its performance characteristics, but what is certain is that the metal strip in the middle of the missile is the second stage.
There are no physical differences between the Derby variants. In that picture, the small fin behind the canards is obscured by the angle of the shot. The second stage can’t be seen either, it’s a PNG cut from a mounted one, so the metal strip is just there to attach it. I’ll send you some pictures of the Derby ER.
Wow bro, I’d like to know if the Derby with the yellow stripe will be the same as the one you can see on the Kfir (which has a blue stripe) but maybe that’s the only difference.
I would like to think that it is due to differences between users. For example, there is also a blue line in the SU30MKI, even though the missile is a different colour. I don’t think it’s relevant to look for that as a difference. Also, the Kfir is carrying a Derby-ER, as confirmed by the photographer’s statement in the picture.
Well yes ofc, but just pointing out something incorrect is all. It’s well know they share the same exterior model (despite some people claiming the rolling fins are different), it’s the propulsion that’s changed. From what I’ve seen it likely has the same seeker as the I-Derby on top of that.
Recap for 2025:
The Colombian Kfir C.10 Block 60 is NOT complete. The following issues and errors have not yet been resolved:
Incorrect primary armament: 30mm DEFA 553 cannon
EEGS mode in the HUD
Obsolete and incorrect sensors: RWR, Datalink 16, SPS-45 (V) 6, EMERALD AES 212 (If they add EW, ECM mechanics).
Since the version included in the game is the most recent (2016), there is no reason why these modifications should not be included.
Likewise, the Python 4/5 (IR) and I-Derby/IDerby-ER (ARH) missiles should be included when they are added in a future update.
With the recent announcement of the potential addition of new weaponry to the game (AIM-120D and PL-12A), perhaps it’s time to add the I-Derby missiles for the Israeli TT, which would improve the few aircraft that won’t have access to increasingly better missiles in all other nations.
Aircraft that can use the I-Derby:
Kfir C.10 Block 60
F-16D Barak 2
F-5TH TCU
The AIM-120D may possibly be added to the F-16I Sufa and the F-15I, which is why the addition of “Made-in-Israel” weaponry is often overlooked by them.
