J-10A vigorous Dragon, Learning from the western

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caid’s suggestion #134

I would like to suggest a Modern Chinese Fighter, the Chengdu J-10A Vigorous Dragon

The Chengdu J-10 is a Chinese multi-role fighter of the 4th generation. Developed at first to be a 3rd generation, his original goes back to 1981 when China ordered the development of a new plane following a new way to get the plane, instead of giving the requirement of the plane they wanted one builder and get what the builder make, they made a competition between 3 major builders and chose the more interesting of them. Chengdu got the contract to develop the new plane from their proposition. the J-9 was their initial proposition it was never built, it was a plane that was likely inspired by the JA-37 Grippen. the plane however was too advanced for the Chinese capacity. incorporating 60% of new technology, the J-10 was the most modern plane that China could build. this slowed the development and all the technology needed to be tested, the compartments were adapted to each other, and in the end the industry wasn’t capable of producing it since it was too advanced for their capacity. The plane was finally built in 1997 and flow in 1998. it was already 17 years since the plane was been developed back then. and it was just entering the trial. but the trial appear to have gone well as the plane was put into production in 2002. the first planes were in service in 2006 and only revealed in 2007. the result was quit impressive, the plane was remarkably modern and looked oddly like the IAI Lavi which led to believe that Israel had been involved in the development of the J-10 deliberately or unconsciously. Various credible sources and photo evidence go in favor of the Theory that Israel selling the blueprint of the Lavi to china is considered as fact by the U.S forces, Russian Intelligence, IHS Jane’s, and Lyulka’s engineers who worked on the J-10 to adapt the Russian engine. it was been described by Lyulka’s engineer as a melting pot of foreign technology from the F-16, Israel, Russia, and China. it is true that the design of the plane changed drastically in 1987. passing from a near-dead end to a development that progressed quickly. but the fact is China had built this plane, integrating a lot of technology that was from other countries and adapting with each other. nonetheless, this plane would be a great addition to the game. the J-10A being the first standard version of the J-10 will offer the basic yet great performance. As for 2021, a total of 200 J-10A is believed to be in service in China.


Chinese delegation with the development teams for the IAI Lavi in front of the Lavi, which includes Song Wencong (in the red square) who was chief designer of the J-10

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after 1987, the J-10 development changed drastically. here we can see the head of development Song Wencong demonstrating a mock-up of the future J-10 which is nearly identical to the Lavi, this photo was taken at the end of the 80s or early 90s. back then, China was still trying to acquire the Pratt & Whitney engine. but the negotiation was a firm refusal. China had to find another engine and intended to develop its engine, but until this engine was ready, they turned to Lyulka to provide the Salyut AL-31FN for the first production of the J-10. the Russian industry agreed to provide the engine and send some of their engineers to China to adopt the plane and engine to work together, not intended for this engine, which was a fair bit bigger, the J-10 had to become nearly 2m longer and the gearbox and other element had to be placed sideways. those engineers qualified the J-10 as a melting pot of American, Russian, and Chinese technology. this led to the final stage of the development, the plane was ready to fly in 1998 with the Russian engine.

Armament
the Armament of the J-10A is pretty decent. the first was a 23mm GSh-23 placed under the fuselage a bit at the left side offering a basic old fashion fire-power for the dogfight. but the armament is not only auto-cannon. like any modern plane, his firepower depends on his suspended armament. in this case,11 hardpoints capable of carrying a total of 5600 kg allow you to have a great selection of weapons. amounts of the known suspended armament there is the fallowing list

Air-to-air missiles

Air-to-surface missiles

Guided bomb

Unguided bomb

  • 250 kg
  • 500 kg

Rockets pod

  • 90mm rockets pod
    i prepared the fallowing Graphic to indicate where the armament is know to be mounted. this is only conclusion from the picture and it may not be totally accurate

A

short/medium range air-to-air missiles
Rockets pod

B

1 air-to-air missiles
2x short/medium range air-to-air missiles
Air-to-surface missiles
1x bomb up to 500 kg
2x bombs up to 250 kg
Rockets pod

C

Fuel Tank
1x air-to-air missiles
2x short/medium range air-to-air missiles
Air-to-surface missiles
1x bomb up to 500 kg
2x bombs up to 250 kg
1x bomb up to 1000 kg
Rockets pod

D

Avionic pod
1x bomb up to 250 kg
1x air-to-air missiles

E

1x bomb up to 250 kg
1x air-to-air missiles

F

Fuel tank
1x bomb up to 500 kg
2x bombs up to 250 kg

Performance
the plane has high flight characteristics. Due to its canard configuration, it has high maneuverability at low and high speeds. the forward wings are completely inevitable which makes it ideal for taking a hard turn. The engine is a Russian Salyut AL-31FN gives the plane a Thrust of 28,000 lbf (124.5 kN)with an after burner. the plane being a light weight will have relatively good power with this engine. the plane will show high performance and a better thrust/weight ratio than the successive J-10 due to its lighter weight. it would be capable of matching modern planes around the world. at least those that are from the 4th generation.

Avionic
The J-10A would not have the right to claim to be a 4th generation fighter without some of the most advanced avionics. in this matter, the J-10A is not lagging and has all it needs to compete with the advance aircraft.

  • The cockpit has three liquid crystal (LCD) Multi-function displays (MFD) along with a Chinese-developed holographic head-up display (HUD), all of which are fully compatible with a domestic Chinese advanced helmet mounted sight (HMS), claimed by Chinese to be superior to the HMS on the Sukhoi Su-27 sold to China.
  • The J-10 is fitted with an Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar. It is capable of tracking 10 targets simultaneously and attacking 4 of them. The estimated maximum detection range is 100 km. The aircraft is fitted with a fly-by-wire system.
  • the plane is fitted with Electronic Countermeasure on the tail between the parachute compartment and the reactor.
  • a built-in Chaff and/or flare dispenser appears to be placed at the base of the delta wings near the flap. the number of countermeasures is to be confirmed.
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looks very inspired!

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That is such an ugly jet i want it so +1

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Maybe, TGP also?
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This is J-10AH as source says.

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the J-10AH being a naval version might have a different device. i do not know if this one is compatible. i do not see why not but it needs a confirmation.

Interesting air to air armament listed. I was under the impression that even from its first introduction the J-10 had more advanced missiles like PL-9C and PL-10, for which reason I was opposed to its addition.
If that armament is accurate (and assuming PL-8A/B with IRCCM) then this could be a great addition

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You know how to differentiate between naval and non-naval versions?

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J-10A and subsequent models uses JDC-01A targeting Pod.

For Bombs it uses Type 250-3 or Type 250-4, and Type 500-3 or Type 500-4.

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usually, the naval version comes with an arrester hook and sometimes foldable wings.

Hm, no. Certainly not the case with the J-10. It is in service with PLANF, but not on aircraft carriers. Coastal protection.

As i found - with yellow S/N on tail - PLAAF. Red - PLANF.

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yeah, it’s not always the case, and china does have a plane dedicated to the carrier.

but as the J-10AH is more modern a bit, it might have more advanced comportment. only I can’t tell which one since I do not know much about this specific plane. it might be deserving a suggestion on his own.

Gaijin does not have to add all the missiles the plane is compatible with. and they do not (or should not) add armament which is just unfair for the game.

what? i think it looks better than F-16
but still +1

Idk, the intake is so gross, like a kid with a neckbrace lol

intake looks gross but from sides and top it is beautiful
looking at it from the front ruins it
but i still love it otherwise as a chinese person

Yak 141 moment, look at the front nice, the back not so much

+1 The early domestic chinese Multirole Fighter

Rumor this fighter aircraft from leak 2 days ago ?

In my defense, this suggestion is a repost from the one I made about 2 years ago in the old server. and I wrote it almost a month ago. so I didn’t write it by opportunism to claim an addition that was confirmed or leaked.

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I knew it, the backlog is quite big this time of year. Most suggestions since June have had very large waiting list on pending to be approved.

Fr, I’ve got 9 pending and it’s been taking around a month on average for approval all summer