Yeah, made sense when you were talking about Aim-9Bs but IRIS-T SLM?
Just seems insane that its not even slightly more advanced by now
(though the fuel dumping thingy having an IR signature does present hope that more advanced IR sigs are being worked upon)
Because IR signature is entirely dependent on thrust and F-5 produces very little thrust (compared to other aircraft) presumably.
shame it isnt thrust to weight as it would be screwed.
I hate the F5. it makes high tier air unplayable
Couple extra pics:
BOL IR (most likely):
The standard flare visually has a significantly smaller IR signature compared to the BOL IR deployment
The figure 19 actually looks exactly like this picture from behind an F-14:
For those wondering where I got these pics, they’re screenshots from this video (link to just before we start seeing good frames of the CM deployments):
no we dont need planes staying op right after getting good spaa finally
you can have your bol countermeasures after s400 and patriot
I agree that BOL nerf should be reversed
but at the same time all planes that could carry BOL should receive it as many are currently missing BOL despite evidence showing that it could be used
160% on board
Adding BOL to F-15A/C/E and F/A-18C would be great too
You seem to be ignoring the fact that air battles exist and aircraft like the Tornado F.3 really struggle as a result of the BOL nerf.
Also if you think aircraft having up to 640 BOL chaff is a problem (though many only get 320), then just wait until you find out how much large chaff the Tornado gets…
If this change would help planes get more appropriate amounts of chaff and flares, I think its fair game to undo it with the ridiculous amount of missiles available.
I agree!
Really didn’t need to be nerfed in the first place. Especially not with what they then went on to do to the supposedly problematic platform.
The bol bug report for the F-15A/C has been accepted over a year ago.
The F-15E could carry them too. Gimme those pods
IMO the entire IR system needs a rework.
It’s just bad balancing to counter even more bad balancing.
The more advanced systems get the more unpredictable it’s going to be
I mean yeah sure, just as long as you can’t turn brain off, set periodic CMs on and become immune to IR missiles fired from good range and angle like they used to let you do in the Gripen.
That was extremely annoying.
Unlike back then, chaff is now required to be taken as you can’t just exploit MP all day long and the Gripen isn’t all that strong anymore.
Though F18Cs might be able to do it with 8x BOL. But an aircraft with only 2 shouldn’t be unplayable because one with 8x was too strong, just remove 4-6 rails for from the one with 8
Also BOL would still have the reduced burn time it has now, so pre-flaring is harder/requires double the flares
Ehh, 60m MP still lets you get away with murder even against the better close range ARH missiles. I’m mostly talking about how even missiles with double IRCCM (TY-90 being the most capable missile of the type) failing to track a Gripen that does the BOL spam strat, even if fired from behind and within close range. Reverting the nerf is fine, as long as it doesn’t revert the gameplay to brainless CM spam.
Very good write-up!
I agree that the BOL CMs should be buffed, at minimum to the same level as normal CMs.
I would prefer it to be implemented as realistic as possible, so most importantly higher BOL flare rear-aspect effectiveness than normal flares, and probably higher BOL Chaff effectiveness than normal Chaff.
I can say with confidence BOL Flares do not in game deter IR missiles, Even weaker ones.
A 9M or R-73 will not bite on BOL flares especially in rear aspect.
He means back when they werent nerfed. They were just standard CMs, burn time and all. Having 700+ CMs just meant you could ignore IR threats as you never needed to take chaff.
Though wierdly. Was never an issue for the Harrier Gr7 only the Gripen when it was better than the F-16… Hmmm
Even though you could shoot it down with the F16C quite comfortably. Even I, who was testing it against folk much better than I at air to air.
Though it is infuriating they say to make better stuff, then when we get it the things that are notable to its design and role are cut down because it beats yanks. It wasn’t particularly hard to down a gripen spamming countermeasures, in the same way it wasn’t hard to down other platforms spamming countermeasures. Just loosed something that wasn’t IR, or used a cannon. Just slightly infuriating. But oh well, I’m sure we’ll see agile American aircraft nerfed because of BOL’s introduction to them in a manner fair to how gripen was treated. It would be unheard of for something to come to the yanks that ruined other aircraft without the yanks getting punished.
And hasn’t been for an age.
