Italian M47 105/55: Actually a spanish M47, how to fix it

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Hi everyone, with the advent of the new forums I’m moving over some of my old suggestions and reports, this one is quite neat as it explains how the real OTO made M47 105mm should be made ingame.
Mind you that this change is regarded as a low priority one as the vehicle would only change under a visual aspect and not a performance one.

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The italian M47 105/55 isn’t italian at all, the vehicle we have currently ingame is actually modeled after the spanish M47 present in Latrun. In this report I’ll explain how to modify the vehicle to match the real italian M47 105.
The Italian one should also change name as it never mounted a 105/55 but an M68/L7 105/51 cannon so I propose to use one of this names:
-M47 OTO (Currently in game its full name is M47 (105/55) OTO)
-M47 (105/51)
-M47 (M68)

Spanish M47E2
The M47 we have ingame is actually modeled after the Spanish M47E2 present in Latrun

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The model we have ingame:

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The Italian M47

So almost the whole model is wrong so this will be a lengthy and difficult process, if something isn’t clear I gently ask the mods to point out what I should clarify as this will be pretty hard to explain.
First things first, the skirts.
The skirts used on the model are wrong as the italian M47 used the same in use on the american counterpart except for some different tool boxes and the same muffler used on the M60 but reversed.

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1: the mudguard should be the stock one mounted on the M47.
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2: wrong mudflaps as it mounted the stock rounded ones.
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3: same toolbox mounted on the stock M47.
4: different toolbox, a bit shorter and with different details.
5: muffler used on the M60 but reversed front/back.
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6: Possibly a phone, present only on the left side.
A shot from a different view:
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A shot from the opposite side:
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The front of the hull:

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The front of the hull featured the machine gun port but it was emptied and the lights were the stock ones
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1 Same stock lights as the standard M47
2 Machine gun port emptied but present.

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This isn’t really strange as the italian army didn’t really used that gun port

Although it isn’t known if the OTO model would’ve featured an empty gunport or if it was to be sealed of like some other nations did with theirs M47s

Turret:

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The turret in game is missing some bars on the side of the turret and the machine gun port should be extruding a little bit more.
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1- Stock machine gun port
2- Missing some bars on both of the cheecks of the turret

Rear:

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1-The grille was all of the same length

2-The grille is continuos, there isn’t any “texture”.

3-New shape of the lights covers with a rounded part, probably from the M60

4-Stock tow hooks, they need to be moved higher

5-All engine’s grid covers must be removed from top, middle and bottom

6-Stock tow hook in the middle

Sources

L’M47 Patton Nell’Esercito Italiano – Filippo Cappellano, Fabrizio Esposito, Daniele Guglielmi

Gli autoveicoli da combattimento dell’Esercito Italiano iii tomo 2

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sadly they will never fix this. It costs money to do that and they won’t spend anything but the bare minimum on the Italian Tree.

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I think the existing M47 105 (Spain) can be foldered under the modified Italian version of the M47 105. After all, the Italian tech tree doesn’t have many vehicles to use at BR 7.7.

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Current model is kinda mix, not exactly a Spanish one, not exactly Italian one. Imo it’s better to fix 105/55 and add more variants of Italian M47s.

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@BlueBeta said different there

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During a discussion in 2022, in the WT-ITA Research Group discord, he stated that the barrel needed to be the same as a standard L7.
The only 105/55 that was proposed was for a different project, it was to be made from elongated M36 barrels and the project was proposed by the Naples arsenal.

To quote @Roshindow from the same 2022’s discussion:

To explain, there was a project by the Naples arsenal to convert M36 guns (not M36 tanks, M36 is also the name of the 90mm used on the original M47) to 105mm, probbaly reboring the barrels, and extend the length. The design is visible in the blueprint I posted yesterday. There were also proposals to rearm the M47 with regular L7/M68 barrels by OTO, and those ones are the ones we have photos of. The one with the gun out still has the original mufflers so it has the regular engine deck and engine itself, and other photos clearly show the M60 style engine deck. The two tanks have different finish on the turret casting so they are likely two different tanks. The M36 converted guns were tested but the Storia Militare article that talks about them does not specify if they were tested in a tank or just by themselves. We have no photos that I know of. The model ingame has apparently been modeled after the Spanish M47A2 at Latrun, with the difference being that the barrel has been extended to 55 calibers length. This is wrong as the OTO model it is supposed to represent had a regular L/52 barrel, and the original Naples arsenal 105/55 proposal shows a regular M47 engine deck

The blueprint from Naples Arsenal:

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And I would also point out that sources states that the OTO one mounted an 105/51.

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I thought that unpainted part was showing that it’s 105/55, but according to blueprints this exact part should be a bit different, right?

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PS why is it unpainted still?

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The blueprint are from the arsenal and their plans on how they could make the 105/55.
The photo you’ve posted is from OTOMELARA, we don’t have a blueprint of their cannon.
No idea why that part is still unpainted but it matches the photos we have from when they took the tank outside.

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Is it L7, its Oto variant or what?

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Current historical consultant says M68, a licensed L7, coupled with the original M36 gun breach.
But at this point it doesn’t really matter much if it’s either an M68 or a L7, the point is that it’s a 105/51.

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Seems like that, they probably used one from M60A1 tanks and that unpainted part seems to be hidden by mask on M60s. That’s why it’s unpainted)

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Perhaps an Astra M47. I know it would be worse, but it would be better than a C&P and could probably be 7.0 instead of 7.3. IDK. What other options are there?

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One that I suggested was a standard M47 but with a 105mm.

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That’s basically what we have already

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Need it now!!! I demand it done in the next patch!!!

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What we have is a sidegrade of the M47, the one I proposed is a straight up upgrade.
You don’t compromise your mobility for the firepower.

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Sure, but we already have a 105mm M47. I would like a little more variety

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Other than the Astra project, there isn’t anything unique.

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This BR range needs more options. So probably both. What, exactly is the 105mm one you are talking about?

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Imo the OTO M47 should be 7.3 as it trades mobility for firepower.
You could have the Astra at 6.7 as the engine makes it way slower.
And have the prototype M47 with 105mm at 7.7
At 8.0 you have plenty of options: M60, Leone and Leopard1A2

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