They’re not as good anymore. The Baz Mushapar is the worst F-15 in the game.
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there was a bug report that gave Gaijin proof that the PSP had TWS mode and they basically said “no”, so looks like it will continue being bad too.
im not tho?
My radar in the block 40 iaf barak ii f16c is garbage. So is the tws. My tws been intercepting friendlys all day lost crap ton lions. F15c iaf not as bad but still garbage compared to baz f15a. F15a 9m i get wayyyyyuu more kills and never frinedly fire. F16c barak ii and f15c baz mashupar with 120s are garbage my op. Everybody has their own. This my experience.
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That’s literally an skill issue on your part
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Turn rate of the F-16C Barak II is 22.5 sec while the F-16C Block 50 is down to 19 sec. Not even with a fully aced crew you get down to the US F-16C. The addition of the F-16D dorsal spine indeed added more weight to do more electronics added by Israel, but it does not explain why the F-16C which does not have the dorsal spine, would have exactly the same FM. 😉
Derby either in real world is garbage and GJ implemented it that way or Derby is bugged in game. You shoot with perfect lock at 5Km range and it hits nothing except Ai. Second thing, when you switch to Fox2 as target approaches, the derby does loose lock and explodes in air. My understanding, derby is Fire and Forget. But thats not what I am seeing.
Avionics. All Israeli Air Force F-16C Block 40 were upgraded in 2014 and have excactly the same equipment as the F-16C Block 52+ Sufa.
What we see here is likely an elderly implementation of GJ. Maybe block 25 😉
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Block 40 is known to be the worst dogfighter of C models. It has same power as Block 30 which is a superb dogfighter, but heavier. Block 50 on the other has more power compared to Block 40 which makes the difference.
That being said, I didn’t compare performance charts of all 3 aircrafts and I cannot say how much overperforming/underperforming they are in the game but almost every single pilot who flew Vipers say that Block 50 has edge over it and big mouth Block 30 has edge over all of the later variants in pure dogfight performance.
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Incorrect The Israeli Block 40th are powered by the F110-GE-100 which is not the regular Block 30 nor Block 40 engine. The IAF Block 40 has about the same thrust as Block 50 (regular)
Skill issue mate…
If you’re only looking at the stat card and the “turn rate” stat, don’t trust it. It’s often times a poor indicator of the flight models ability. You’re better off directly comparing data mined stats between the two, rather than stat card stats.
F-16I*
What we need is the F-16C/D Barack I Block 30 with its superior engine and flight model. Gaijin purposely gave us the worse variants of the F-16C/D that Israel could get, otherwise we’d have the best F-16 variants in the game lol. I’m sure we’ll get it eventually, but it might be awhile given how dominant it would be with its Python 4s and Derbys.
Block 50 uses 110-129 tho? How come it has the same thrust unless they have some modifications which made them basically 129???
On plain paper, the GE-129 has 131 kN and the GE-100 has 128 kN. Thats the spec of GE. As we already found out, this has nothing to say in real world performance. On plain paper, the difference is 3 kN
We know for sure that US Block 40 had already enlarged inlet. We know for sure that IAF enlarged this further themselfs and added more way more CM, changed avionics, +++
We know that IAF upgraded their Barak-2 at the same level as Block 52+ Sufa meaning that these should be a whole different beast. The documents are classified. But i feel that GJ did not give too much love to the F-16C Barak-2 and made it flightmodel wise 1:1 to the F-16D Barak-2
We cannot resolve it, I am going to have a flight now rather than typing about facts we cannot change in game anyway.
Can someone tell me the FM differences between the block40 and block50 in game?
I know the F-16C block40 has a slightly weaker engine but it is also lighter than the block50.
If you know how to measure turn rates with WTRTI or something like that, I would like to know the sustained turn rate of the block40 for comparison.
On paper the block40 seems like a good deal, 240cm + derby for HOBS shenanigans. If it has a similar dogfight performance I would say it is a clear upgrade over the American block50