Is This The End Of Helicopters?

Nah.
Modern herli vs moder spaa.
You’re a hypocrite who wants an unfair advantage for aircraft over ground forces.

Oh 100% they are lethal, I was testing with a friend who had the SLS variant, he could easily kill helis from 6 miles out and RWR gave no warning other than MAWS flaring to avoid. but with the current IIR seekers being modelled with 2x the IRCCM values with lower FoV, DIRCM will effect them when reality it shouldnt.

So while SLS/SLM can be lethal to helicopters, it shouldnt be realistic for DIRCM to counter them (which atm they do) even with DL guided in.

Yeah makes sense. Hopefully you will at least be able to hold radar lock and babysit the missile with DL.

Russian bias. Again. How it can work agains Iris-t??

Unfortunately, now none of the new SPAA will be able to shoot down this helicopter.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/YMLQJSEdkUWO

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You do know that the Longbow is not so modern? The Longbow is from 1997 and the AGM-114L is from 1998. Afaik the IRIS-T SLM isn’t even fully in service yet, so it’s pretty much: Helis that were used against talibans against SPAA that is used against the Su-35 and 57 :))

Not entirely true, the maws systems on helis in game including ka 50, and AH64 series are more modern. The DIRCM on the Apache and KA52 were designed specifically to defeat missile IRCCM’s by generated a heat signature bigger than the aircraft while flaring making it impossible to keep lock do the targets heat signature being masked entirely.


ALQ 144 - Apache

The KA52s is different with it being a DIRCM which is a laser that detecs in coming IR missiles and intercepts them by destroying the seeker head with the laser beam. The Apache was out fited with a similiar CIRCM module but only on the AH64E.

- the CIRCM system on the ah64

Ok. You get the idea. The IRIS-T SLM is more modern the the F-15EX. Fnf is a need for everyone

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It already is, those apache clones not being garbage would only be beneficial

Im 99% sure thats not how it works, theyre dazzlers not hard kill lasers. We dont have such compact lasers able of actual damage yet

Properly modelled for everyone which means actually lethal, no hits on engine decks or front armor. Especially if we get cm502 or lmur which have he warheads capable of oneshotting everywhere.

CIRCM – Common Infrared Countermeasures | Northrop Grumman The CIRCM form northrop

It doesnt really day anything about it being hardkill but it does say it can reach a max of 250watts of power which is quite a bit, i doubt its enough to melt through heat resisistant material wuick enough to defeat a missile though, laser also arent as powerfull the further your project them that. Are you sure its meant to destroy seekers, even it says it confuses them, forgot to mention styropyro made a 250 watt laser like 10 days ago lol and it can melt a penny very quickly but thats point blank against pretty weak metal.

Even then disrupting the missile while using flares along side the ALQ144 the target both disrupts and masks its self making it impossible to kill with a heat seeking missile.

Mind you gaijin did not implement imagining seekers into game yet. So that argument in and of itself doesnt work. They work just like R73s and AIM9Ms so far.

Yeah i had to delete my reply caus ei wanted to put a bit more thought into it. I read this https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/conference-proceedings-of-spie/9251/1/Requirements-for-laser-countermeasures-against-imaging-seekers/10.1117/12.2067264.full
And the references + a few other smaller stuff.

That needs fixing cause imagin seekers were a nassive leap for fox 2s

As long as i dont need to fight with my MBTs against it… wait a second…

Even then the source you posted shows that depending on the watts and size of the target it can defeat ir imaging systems. Together with flares and the ALQ 144 it defeats the missile.