Not yet, because the information is far and few inbetween, it’s pretty hard to make a coherent post from all of it.
Fair enough.
İ’ll be waiting then.
They’ve accepted whatever they can get, including CR2 and Abrams.
Of the 14 CR two sent to Ukraine 2 have been destroyed. One by mines/artillery, one by a Kornet missile. It’s reported that there were no crew deaths. In fact the only two crew members ever to die in a CR2 were killed by friendly fire - a HESH shell whilst the cupola was open.
You say 9 leopard 2s have been destroyed of ~70 currently deployed.
That gives them both a kill rate of about 1 in 7. Except no crew losses in the CR2, whereas there have been deaths in leopards.
The person who put it in the title brought it up.
Can you find me a post like this then?
Of the 14 CR two sent to Ukraine 2 have been destroyed. One by mines/artillery, one by a Kornet missile. It’s reported that there were no crew deaths. In fact the only two crew members ever to die in a CR2 were killed by friendly fire - a HESH shell whilst the cupola was open.
Out of ~90 Leopard 2s sent to Ukraine (pretty sure that number grew to over a hundred recently due to new pledges), only about ~5 or 6 have been permamently put out of action due to varius reasons (Oryx has put damaged and recovered vehicles as destroyed, so no, don’t even try mentioning that), and they’ve been fighting for much longer than the Chally 2 in this conflict, saw a lot more action, and proved their worth when videos emerged of 2A6s tanking Kornets.
You say 9 leopard 2s have been destroyed of ~70 currently deployed.
That gives them both a kill rate of about 1 in 7. Except no crew losses in the CR2, whereas there have been deaths in leopards.
What are those mental gymnastics?
Is there even any evidence that the crew from the CR2 survived? Any direct post-fact interviews with them? Or is this simply wishful thinking of a guy defending his overhyped piece of engineering, right after being called out for saying that ‘everything’ German is overhyped? I won’t deny that Leopard 2s lost their crew, but there is straight up no proof, that the crew of that particular CR2 survived.
The person who put it in the title brought it up.
Look in the mirror. The post was made on June 19th, and you’ve claimed that it has been constantly brought up, but so far the only person doing that is you…
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Only a single CR2 has been lost in Ukraine so far.
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All things you can’t prove.
CR2 arrived in UKR at the same time as the leopard 2, and no one outside of the Ukrainian military knows exactly how they’ve been deployed and how much fighting each tank has seen.
There were also only 70 leopard’s deployed as of August. Pledged isn’t the same as deployed. Unless you’re suggesting they doubled the amount sent in the last two months.
You talk about tanking kornets, when one of the first widely seen videos of the leopard 2 in Ukrainian action was getting one shot by a vikhr.
No? Every time someone comments in this thread the title goes back to the front page of the forum. I laughed, clicked on it, and said the title was dumb. I don’t really care if you’ve had the conversation before.
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One was destroyed by arty, the other by a kornet recently afaik.
It’s a cope anyway - no crew losses. Plenty dead leopard 2 operators.
You sure?
https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1678740312590614528?s=46&t=NKeg8-0bqSRZdIpwXYaJzw
This video shows the same 2A6 being hit twice by the Kornet, and it drives away after deploying smoke.
https://vxtwitter.com/rwapodcast/status/1719010539328684388?s=46&t=NKeg8-0bqSRZdIpwXYaJzw
And here’s the whole crew evacuating from an Strv 122 after being hit…
Do you have proof of the CR2 crew surviving though?
CR2 arrived in UKR at the same time as the leopard 2, and no one outside of the Ukrainian military knows exactly how they’ve been deployed and how much fighting each tank has seen.
And then spent the next few weeks stuck in training, only officially joining the battle in late august/early september…
There were also only 70 leopard’s deployed as of August. Pledged isn’t the same as deployed. Unless you’re suggesting they doubled the amount sent in the last two months.
What?
Leopard 2A6 - 21
Leopard 2A4 - 54
Strv 122 - 10
That’s 85 tanks.
You talk about tanking kornets, when one of the first widely seen videos of the leopard 2 in Ukrainian action was getting one shot by a vikhr.
Do you mean that video back from June, the vehicle which was later recovered (because it was no longer visible on sat images)? So much for being “one shot”. Even then, there was only a single confirmed Vikhr hit on a Leopard 2… “things you can’t prove” he said, lmao.
No? Every time someone comments in this thread the title goes back to the front page of the forum. I laughed, clicked on it, and said the title was dumb. I don’t really care if you’ve had the conversation before
Sounds very much like a you problem to me.
It’s a cope anyway - no crew losses. Plenty dead leopard 2 operators.
Man, irony is plentiful today. Your entire personality is practially just coping & seething. Honestly you’re a hypocrite of gigantic proportions. I don’t have to deny that crewmen were lost while operating the Leopard 2s in this specific conflict (since unlike you, I don’t have to take copium meds to pretend my MBT is good lmao), but you’re just a malding machine that’s thinking people will take your words of that CR2s crew surviving at face value, and think that there’s nothing wrong with that claim.
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Same tank. Ukraine claims it was immobilised by artillery then scuttled by the crew to prevent capture. Russia claims they killed it with an ATGM.
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How disingenuous are you going to be? I didn’t say that the crew are going to die every time in a leopard 2.
85 is a smaller number than 100+ fyi.
It’s what the Ukrainian military claim. But I’m sure they are lying to, checks notes, boost the number of underwhelming shitty british tanks they receive? right?
I’m not the one bitching about it though, so I’m not really bothered. I’ll probably forget about this thread again, see it in another few months, laugh, and post the same thing.
You just claimed a leopard 2, that was filmed exploding whilst on the move, not only had all crew survive, but that the tank was recovered and is operational again, simply because it’s no longer seen on satellite. Yes, I’m the one coping.
Strawman, hello? My point was that Leopard 2 proved its worth, and you went “things you cannot prove”, so I did!
Grow up.
85 is a smaller number than 100+ fyi.
Ah yes, “recently”. Greatest of reading comprehensions.
It’s what the Ukrainian military claim. But I’m sure they are lying to, checks notes , boost the number of underwhelming shitty british tanks they receive? right?
Then, with Ukrainian military achieving a 98% hit-rate using IRIS-T, is it a claim you will take at face value (therefore contradicting your "German kit is overhyped statement), or will ya not?
I’m also pretty sure Ukraine has claimed their Leopard 2s haven’t lost any crew - what’ya do now mate?
Will you contradict yourself twice just to continue arguing that muh CR2 greatest of all (Greece and SA disagreed on that tbh), or just take the L and go?
I’m not the one bitching about it though, so I’m not really bothered. I’ll probably forget about this thread again, see it in another few months, laugh, and post the same thing.
Which is why you came here to precisely bitch about it?
You’re delusional.
You just claimed a leopard 2, that was filmed exploding whilst on the move, not only had all crew survive, but that the tank was recovered and is operational again, simply because it’s no longer seen on satellite. Yes, I’m the one coping.
Do you need glasses as well? Being this disingenous, I’d think you one-trick Russia or France.
You can see one vehicle getting hit at first, then being covered by its partner vehicles and retreating under its own power. That partner vehicle later comes back, is hit by another Kornet, deploys smoke and retreats.
Yes, thank you for confirming that, in fact, you are coping hard as fuck.
(I’ll ignore you putting words into my mouth there, since that is usually what you do when you run out of arguments, if you have any to begin with anyway…, the fantasy of a tank exploding on the move, yeah, i’ll chuck it up to the “it was revealed to me in a dream”).
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If that’s the bar for worth, then what exactly has the CR2 done which is underwhelming?
No? I didn’t say the IRIS-T was bad. Just that it isn’t the best.
Very German thing to say.
I was talking about the Leopard 2 that was destroyed by a ka-52 months ago. Maybe you need glasses.
That’s the best part… you’re the only one who’s said that unironically, I’ve never said it’s an underwhelming tank without making sure it’s ironic. Your poor excuse for an argument completely overlooks everything I’ve said was in response to your dumbass claims, that you pulled out of your own ass, because what I said pissed you off.
Very German thing to say.
Tu quoque lmao?
I was talking about the Leopard 2 that was destroyed by a ka-52 months ago. Maybe you need glasses.
I do, because I don’t ever recall that ever happning, cannot find it in my database from the conflict, nor on twitter, etc etc.
I am in fact 99% sure that it was never a Leopard 2, but you’re saying it was because you’ve dug the hole too deep by this point.
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Challenger 2 went into battle and immediately sent it turret upwards… overhyped eh?
I would say calling it overhyped is pretty close to calling it underwhelming. You also edited your other comment slating it after the fact.
Guess it didn’t happen then, you do recall everything, after all.
You keep saying I’m the one coping, pissed off, and bitching. But you’re the one constantly slinging insults and getting worked up about it? Maybe take a break from the computer.
???
I didnt talk to you directly, did I? But to be fair I did include you.
And if you already forgot Im following the british threads as well and thats just my opinion on the matter.
I mean if you can just come here and state stuff like that, so do I.
That was a Tractor or some farming equipment, irrc. Not a Leopard 2.
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In case your brain hasn’t caught on it yet, I was quoting you and then IRONICALLY throwing that back at you. “Both sides are worth each other” was the part that should’ve been an obvious hint of that…
Guess it didn’t happen then, you do recall everything, after all.
You are always free to prove that it did happen, y’know, just like I provided proof of Leopard 2s doing the stuff I claimed they did.
You keep saying I’m the one coping, pissed off, and bitching. But you’re the one constantly slinging insults and getting worked up about it? Maybe take a break from the computer.
In case you haven’t heard of this stuff yet, it’s called throwing shit back stuff at the other person. However yes, my point is still true, if you weren’t coping, you’d just laugh me off and block me. Reverse psychology is a beautiful thing innit.
I do find it funny how you got so defensive so fast though.
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You did.
If ‘both sides are worth each other’, does that mean you agree with me that calling the IRIS-T the pinnacle of SRAAM is overhype? Can you at least see how that’s a bit more overhype than british players asking for the CR2 armour to not be so bad?
You posted a video of one crew successfully escaping, and extrapolated that to “the leopard 2 hasn’t lost a single crew member”. Even if your assertion is true, that is not good enough proof, and if I need to explain why then we’re past hope.
Where have I been coping/bitching/throwing insults at you? All I said was that the IRIS-T isn’t the greatest missile ever made and you got upset.
just a reminder that
this is a thread about the IRIS-T
so here’s a pic of the TVC nozzle
compared to R-73
and AIM-9X
and MICA
and S-300
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You’re really reaching for conclusions never stated, aren’t ya?
You posted a video of one crew successfully escaping, and extrapolated that to “the leopard 2 hasn’t lost a single crew member”. Even if your assertion is true, that is not good enough proof, and if I need to explain why then we’re past hope.
Again putting words in other people’s mouths? Right after they stated they won’t deny there were crew losses?
How sad of a human being are you, honestly?
Where have I been coping/bitching/throwing insults at you? All I said was that the IRIS-T isn’t the greatest missile ever made and you got upset.
Imagine. Imagine having to put words in my mouth just to prove your own point.
Might as well just write a whole story at this point my guy.
Sorry for hijacking the thread @Faster_Boiiiii, but SlowHeadClap is just too funny to pass off this opportunity.
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are you serious?
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