Gaijin logic:
big missile = slow
Fun Fact, Tor M1 and HQ17 Missiles are bigger and heavier but faster then the SLM Missile
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Here is the link to that report btw: Community Bug Reporting System . I realized the post you replied to didn’t have it linked and there are so many messages in here and so many links that finding it would be a bit of a hassle so i thought i’d link it :)
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Devs response: Thank you for the report. After the review, the source talks exclusively about DIRCM, very limited information about laser IRCM.
Incoherent DIRCMs are indeed ineffective against IIR seekers. However, laser IRCMs are designed to blind such seekers.Thus, the influence of laser IRCM on IIR seeker is an intended feature.
However currenting in dev server, the effectiveness of laser DIRCM is too high. by the release of the patch we will slightly adjust the necessary time and distance for successful suppression of seeker with IIR.
We are also considering adding limitations to DIRCM to suppress multiple missiles at the same time, ie, it should not be possible to suppress more missiles than the number of turrents available at the same time, but this will take time.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/YMLQJSEdkUWO?comment=J6T5HNjdgIrZ059EQO9KOy6v
Those are obviously marketing lies.
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Was this source not included in the report, or are gaijin devs just willingly ignoring OEM statements on the system again?
Edit: Nvm, just checked the bug report and it quite literally states this along with linking the info.
@Gunjob any chance you can talk to the dev and ask them if they have eyes, or if they just forgot to read the section where it explicitly states the IRIS-T’s seeker is highly resistant to LDIRCM?
They seem to have selective vision and have made the executive decision the bug report mentions nothing about lasers (how convenient)
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Looks like it was to me
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Report: “excellent ECM resistance also covering modern blinding LASERS”
“In practice, DIRCMs struggle to track, aim, and apply sufficient LASER energy to blind or significantly degrade such sophisticated sensors”
Response: " very limited information about LASER IRCM"
“However, LASER IRCMs are designed to blind such seekers.Thus, the influence of LASER IRCM on IIR seeker is an intended feature”
did i miss something or it just doesn’t make any sense ?
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the IRIS-T SLM was designed to effectively hit targets at 40km range
->gajin: yes but actualy we dont want that
DIRCM to make heli imune to IRIS-T
→ we dont know much about it but it for sure works, it was ment to stop missiles after all!
… just what is going on here man…
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As an additional sidenote, “incoherent DIRCM” is an oxymoron. If the system is directional, it cannot be “incoherent”.
The dev is just throwing random words to try to throw people off and make up an excuse for why the fancy new russian force-field they added to the game is totally real and not just them wanting to keep the russian helis viable while all other nations helis become worthless.
they need to do like
DIRCM need to aim at a missiles for atleast _ seconds before making missiles to lose track and become ineffective
higher resistance missiles = higher time threshold
Example: FIM-92K, DIRCM would take 1-2 seconds to lock on to the missiles and take 3-4 seconds to make the manpads missiles become ineffective
But AIM-9X, DIRCM would also take 1-2 seconds to lock onto the missiles BUT now require 7-9 seconds to shot the missiles down
Higher stuff like SLM would take 25+ seconds
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the worst part, its already hard enought to get anything to the devs in the first place, and then they respond with half answer as to why this and that
i dont see the SLM beeing good since the devs just made up their mind apparently even if we get infomration past the tech mods to the devs, they will shoot it down themselfs
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This is also ignoring the fact that the “LDIRCM” is located below the fuselage, which means that for it to work, it would need to be above the missile, and to be above the missile, it would likely be in LOS of the TRML-4D radar, which means the missile should just track to target via datalink if the “LDIRCM” is trying to blind it…
I think Gaijin doesn’t want new air defense systems. Gaijin wants to add air defense systems equivalent to Pantsir. That’s the problem. they doesn’t want a system stronger than Pantsir. Maybe in the future, if the S350 Vityaz or buk m2 comes, the Iris-T SLM will also be balanced.
Then why lie about sources and bla bla instead of just saying its for balance?
thats what iv been wondering this whole time ngl
me too
Its not very balanced making the best helicopters in-game the only ones immune to IR missiles and F&F ATGMs…
worst part is its not even good balance either the new sams would need to have at least m1 speeds at 16km to be as good as the pantsir but they all fall off at 12km or less
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