Not sure what jamming would do here. Jamming is supposed to make it impossible for a radar to listen to the echo. But ARM is a flying RWR. It homes on radiation sources, so if it were to be jammed, it would be more than glad to go there.
there are modernized variants of both the kh58 and 31. they are not using 80s kh31 today.
I know, but when the latest versions of X31 & X58 were being developed, the developers did not know about the operating modes of the IRIS T radar and other latest systems. And they cannot know these details - they are classified and no work of the russain special services will help here.
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Speaking of jammers, in reality almost all systems have missiles with jammer capture mode. Accordingly, even if jammer aircraft are introduced into the game, it will work against them - they will be shot down first and this will not interfere with the radar operation in any way.
And how do you know what russian engineers or intelligence services know ?
if it gets spotted by rwr irl then i think ARMs can be used to some extent. but in war thunder i think it will probably work like a normal radar so ARMs will be op in game.
i dont think you can blame gaijin in this aspect when little info is known about such capabilities.
This response doesn’t make sense in context of what i said and i don’t know what you are trying to say.
you dont think AGM-88G will work against IRIST SLM ?
Bro not even the alien spaceship from independence day works against IRIST according to that guy.
if we take this into account then US/RUS/CHINA would stop producing/modifying their ARMs as they all have AESA tech. why would they develop an obsolete system. but then again even if ARMs are not that effective against modern SAMs we still have MITL missiles which will definitely be wayy too OP for war thunder i can already imagine team mates scouting enemy SAM locations and a plane launching a MITL missile n guiding it at tree top level/hugging the ground and just fly straight to the marked point. also can you provide me a link to the specific type of radar mode that would make ARMs ineffective i would like to know more about it as i didnt know it existed before u mentioned it.
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I don’t know the principles of MITL operation and the principles of its targeting in reality, but I suspect that it is extremely unlikely that it could be used against SAMs, although it is possible. The introduction of the X38 by Gaijin was complete stupidity, the game has too small maps of ground vehicles and too unrealistic terrain in terms of elevation changes. AGM84 would have been a good solution as a counter to Soviet-Russian Chinese teams if the SAMs worked as they should.
UPD Oh s**t, I read about AGM84 DSMAC and IR guidance. This is a very dangerous missile in reality, although knowing the Gaidzins they will make it so that the missile captures damaged equipment (hello PARS 3L). If we are to believe the description of DIEHL, then the IRIS T missiles have a similar operating principle to the IIR. Allegedly, approximate silhouettes of airplanes, helicopters, etc. are embedded in the memory so that the missile can always distinguish a target in real estate from false targets and interference.
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i think IR missiles going for dead tanks is an engine limitation all IR missiles are easily fooled by dead tanks , maybe they could fix this by reducing their temp. as for MITL missiles just imagine kamikaze drones but missiles (with TV or IR sensor where you actively pilot it).
you will not jam a HARM missile with a radar
it is a missile that goes for radiation,
what do you think will happen if you shoot lots of radiation at it?
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which dosent matter since a HARM will go for the strongest radiation source
and what outputs lots of radiation?
… a radar
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read the article above about low visibility radars. what you described is the operating principle of absolutely all of them ARM. It is also known that the latest modifications AGM88 have their own radar to capture and identify disabled radars. BUT all this applies to old radars of the 80-90s of the impulse type.
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Fun fact: We already have a weapon that can have MITL capability in game; with a datalink pod the AGM-62A Walleye II ER/DL found on the F/A-18C Early is able to send video footage back to the pilot in the plane, who can then guide it in the terminal phase.
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Whats stopping an irist slm from just intercepting harms just like other munitions
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nothing
If carried by 1 plane only, probably not.
AGM-88 is so effective that in a certain place somewhere most ex-soviet / rus SAM site being oofed is done so by drones or HIMARS/ATACMs
AGM88 is a slow, unimpressive missile that is quite easy to shoot down. What makes it work is sheer mass, but since it’s not a thing in game, no, it probably won’t be very effective
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Its not that simple. They do not simply go for the strongest radiation source (if we talk about newer missiles), they go for things that act like radars. While they can be programmed to go for a jammer, they are on a look out for radars, Jammers and Radars behave in a different way.
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