im trying again
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/nHvHH2slPeJN
this time, i (alteast i hope) got everything the asked for, logs, replay, pictures that were made ingame, steps to reproduce… i dont know what else could be missing
from doing the minimum range report, I feel that one xDDDDD
@The_Hutske something to add i think that youve not taken into account when comparing SLM and Pantsir is the vector at which the missiles strike each other. With SLMs upwards lofting, the missile will pretty much always try to hit the Kh38 from example from an upwards angle, at which point the interception is much harder as it has to compensate for the immense speed of the missile. On the dev when intercepting Kh38s, the SLM quite often would bear down on the incoming Kh38 and basically miss before turning upwards.
A pantsir has the added advantage that its missiles dont need to loft, they go straight where youre pointing and so if the missile is flying towards you, the 95ya6 just has to fly in a completely straight line towards the missile.
Gaijin just have to add some form of a check that if the missiles were within XYZ distance = intercepted
Ive seen so many of my SLM missiles “hit” via proxy explosions in the air when testing the interception of Kh38s with 0 effect on the Kh38s, they just kept flying straight.
Also another thing thats very shit with SLM rn is the complete travesty of a radar it has, im very hopeful itll be made realistic because even right now, getting a strong lock on a missile is basically close to 0
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I used chat gtp for only the missile tps but they said its the same as air (and that is very logical like you said)
also you might go over mach 1.5 in air rb but never head on with a enemy missile (unless you want do die on purpose so the missile wont be comming from direct head on. making it affect the calculations!
and also :plane = 3x bigger is not true bc is not that simple. its length and wingspan and height has to be calculated and thus making it a way bigger target area while a missile is just a skinny stick . so you basically only have to calculate its length.
I shouldve added the source, that was my mistake so im sorry.
It wouldnt let me post it so i had to ask someone else.
and I forgot to send the last bit of text that contained the source
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this is true. i calculated a headon from both missiles. but as long as they ‘‘hit’’ eachother in any of the 2 axes the calculations should be correct still.
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Wouldn’t this also mean that the missiles dont explode when near each other?. In my testing even with the bad tracking of IRIS-T SL they sometimes still get close enough for IRIS-T to explode. The biggest issue is that it didnt blow up the hammer or the AGM-65D.
5.7kg explosives with 15m proxy certainly doesn’t help it against munitions too.
Guys after testing the flakrakrad with the new radar screen:
You can go into scope and then activate the new radar view, it doesent kick you out of scope mode
If you activate thermals, it only shows the normal view in radar mode
you cant use the change radar target button, you need to manualy select them and the radar screen is much simpler and less detailed (the one in the middle) + ofc no nctr
if you select a target manualy it automaticly changes azimuth but not vertical, it also doesent lock, you need to manualy lock, you also cannot fire in radar screen, you need to fire and then switch back, but you ofc cant controll the missile
Are these bugs? Is this different on the pantsir?
Holy shit this new hud is useful:
You can see EVERYTHING even where your missile is and how much distance is still needs and which target it currently chases
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The thermals may be a bug, or simply they haven’t gotten around to implementing thermals on the sight view yet.
For every radar without TWS (like your flarakrad), selecting the target only slews the azimuth. You can however lock (if you have a tracking radar, I think) using the target lock button. You can hover and click the things in the control panel under the radar screen, that’s also how you can fire your missile.
For Pantsir, since it has a tracking radar with TWS, it works much better. As well as of course all the new SAMs with TWS on their search radars.
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Thanks for the info, do you have the pantsir to show how this system works with it and how it looks?
Did you include the screenshots taken with game screenshot tool, log and replay files from the match? Try to take a few screenshots within the game after it fails to intercept munition and within the replay system i assume they have some sort of debugging info embedded within the screenshot itself.
i did, everything should be as they want it
so pantsir wasn’t saclos?
It is SACLOS, but you can let it automatically guide if you switch to another target with the tracking radar TWS. I don’t think it’s as good as fire and forget, especially since it’s still vulnerable to radar (TWS) jankiness.
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so is this new radar control screen gonna be available to vehicles like ozelot flakrakpz osa-ak and gepard?
probably to anything that has a radar
Looks to be the case from today’s datamine.
so ozelot looks like not in list