putting quotes around it doesnt make it any more fake
it was trialled, made for pakistan. where should it go?
pakistan and at max, both pakistan and ukraine if its added as a nation in game.
if not, then we would never see it in game. which is a shame
doesnt matter
please refer to gaijins conditions:
should go no where, bc it was scrapped and never used, its just a Ukrainian tank
you have your opinion, i have mine, gaijin has theirs
nothing points to that conclusion
Nothing points to that conclusion?
pakistan sayin they dont want it bc its trash?
rreaallly?
eitherway, thanks for the graph, cant wait for japan to get f14, f111 and abrams
the conclusion that it was scrapped, which, in english, means that the vehicle was destroyed for spare parts, is a conclusion that is unfounded.
please understand before saying more
ever heard of
“the idea was scrapped”, or “the plan was scrapped”?
Edit, lets give t84 to usa too
bro… you said
anyway, lets not continue this, i dont wanna waste time with u
do the needful
now add context
anyway, back on topic
Pakistan deserves a unique vehicle that has effort put into it. to be fair, the Oplot-P isnt even that much different.
itll be only decently different model wise, and can be added with some work put into it
If it was given a t80, would be nice, or what was it called, Al zarrar something
Pretty cool looking tank
but t84 for pakistan, how that a tank that has effort put in
for example… we couldve gotten the T-80UD/BE. it has a new welded turret and better armour…
Al zarrar is a heavily upgraded Type-59 with TVD, armour and darts, and even gun
i would take any of those
THAT, id love to see, i play China, those tanks would be great, altho there already is a t80, but eh
the Al zarrar would be so cool
Edit, probably wouldnt be top tier, but still fun to play
not to mention… there is a new Al zarra in the works, with turret armour comparable to the Al khalid base model. so around 400-450mm armour on the turret front
That would also be cool to see
This looks like an oplot p with rubber screens.
The key area to note is the side ERA panels.
Which show that is probably a P and not an M or T
its probably just a filler
vehicles that were only trialled have always been allowed, theres already quite a few of them in game, swedish t80, swedish mi28, swedish AHS (hmmm quite the theme here)
I know, and i wouldnt be mad if those got removed
A lot of people already complained bout them being added
Yeah, but the problem is: when were these vehicles added? More than 2-3 years ago? And ever since we haven’t seen a single trialed vehicle entering the game.
These Swedish vehicles are there because:
These Swedish vehicles have to be removed from research/purchase (like R2Y2) and be replaced with more realistic options as soon as they are available (e.g. T-80U can be replaced with some Danish/Norwegian Leo2, and if Norway/Denmark/Finland/Sweden gets its hands on top tier heli, it can replace Mi-28 and AHS).
The Oplot-P is still trialed vehicle, which I am against of, however the version Gaijin depicted is Oplot-M that was sent for trials like it was with T-80U and so on. I am against Oplot-M in Chinese TT via Pakistan not because I feel nationalistic about vehicles from my country (unlike some people from some different specific community) but because it is a pure trialed vehicle with no changes.
The Oplot-P that should’ve been added to the game was supposed to be the one that was configured in a different way (different side armor configuration + no APS) while also getting domestic APFSDS round like Naiza. This way the vehicle would’ve been a much more proper addition as it was a configuration that was made specifically for Pakistan, and because it was made specifically for one particular nation makes it different to T-80U that was simply taken from some storage facility and was prepared for trials.
If we were to go by your logic, we should’ve seen Sweden getting Leclerc and M1A2 that were trialed alongside the said T-80U and Leo2 (which won the competition and was adopted). But we don’t, because trialed vehicles that underwent no changes for a specific country usage has no place in the game, as we would’ve seen the US get all of T-series tanks, MiGs and Su’s of all sorts, as well as Soviets getting F-series planes and other Western tech that never adopted for service in the army.
However, Gaijin took the easiest way to treat the tank: simply copy-paste everything from Thai Oplot (model, armament options), and change one letter in the name of vehicle from “T” to “P” and change TT location from “jp” to “cn” (and obviously texture, how could I forget that).
And if devs indeed are going to simply rename vehicle to Oplot-M and call it a day, the fight against it is more than justified.
Yet if they change the model and (maybe) round used the Oplot-P has a place in the game as it would be a country-specific option that was not adopted.
