How Does Everyone Feel About The Improved Yak-9k?

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Overpriced at 200+ SP?

You can easily make 10+ kills per sortie with APHE belts that cost far less. 10+ kills per sortie should be exceedingly expensive. Well into the area of guided AT weaponry and smart bombs.

APHE for the NS-45 was a mistake, and it should be corrected with appropriate measures. Such as high SP costs, high dispersion and recalculated penetration. As one of the few weapons that historically damaged the aircraft that carried it, that gun should be extremely hard to use. Reliability and self damage aren’t implemented in the game, so these are literally the only fixes that can be applied.

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One or two 500lb bombs don’t have the same kill potential as the 9K’s 45mm APHE.

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it should either cost much much more or the belts should taken away again. imagine if germans hat a duck with flight characteristics like a fighter… everyone would poop their pants.

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or you know, take away all the good flight characteristics of the Yak9, cause those cannons actually ruined the air frames. The recoil on the 37 was so strong that once you fired the 2nd or 3rd round the airplane begins to wobble and lose all those flight characteristics. Which on top of every round fired it ends up damaging the engine and other components, one wasn’t allowed to fire the cannon at speeds below than 350kmph, less one go in a tailspin and meet the earth.

And as for the 45, that is the Russian equivalent to the Panther 2, Tiger 105, and Ho-Ri “Production”. Cause if you thought the 37 was bad for the air frame to actually make the intended role as “Tank Hunter” useless (even the best pilots could only get a 6% hit rate); the 45 took everything about the 37 and made it worse: It actually damaged and ruptured the engine and coolant every time it fired. Thus any ideas of producing Yaks armed with the 45 to be outright canceled along with plans of Yak-3s being armed with 37s. The 37 would never be put on another air frame till the Mig-15.

I would say the T and K need these performance downsides to balance them out. Which for every time they fire the cannon they slowly damage their engine. Which would force them to return to base instead of being constant menaces in the sky.
And this isn’t the first time Russia thought of shoving a large gun caliber into a light air frame that couldn’t handle the gun, see the SU-27 and how much “Gasha” caused problems for the plane.

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Yak-9k is just another example of overpowered, ahistorical soviet nonsense that only reinforces the theory of Russian bias in this game. The Yak-9k historically had poor flight characteristics and would almost knock itself out of the sky when firing. In this game, the Russian-loving developers make it the ultimate tank killing machine with exceptional handling abilities beyond most aircraft at its BR. I’ve been playing this game since the beginning and its always been the same crap.

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I disagree. The Yak9k dispersion is no problem for me or anyone else who knows how to fly a plane. I hate versing Russia, back in the day it was because the “Stalinium” T34s then when they fixed that it was the random mass death caused by Pe-8 superbombs and the Tis_Ma. But while that is still a thing I find being continually killed by Yak9Ks, the other Yak9 with the 45mm gun is just ridiculous since they added that new APHE supershell to the airborne 45mms.
Historically the 45mm gun was a fail on the Yaks, it was horribly inaccurate and damaged the aircraft when used. At lower speeds firing multiple shots could cause the plane to depart controlled flight. And I don;t beleive that round was ever issued to aircraft, although I don’t think anyone has posted absolute proof - post WW2 russian records have been hard to access and proving a negative is always a challenge.
But of course in Warthunder they get the magic APHE rounds, they are highly accurate and cause absolutelt no problems for the planes while wreaking havoc on everything on the ground.

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One issue with the NS-45 was that there wasn’t any space left in the Yak-9T for a larger barrel.

Which meant the had to use the same barrel thickness as the NS-37 but bored out to 45mm.
Which only left 6mm of barrel thickness, if my memory serves me correctly.
(Edit: It was actually 4mm, compared to 7-8mm of the NS-37)

This was only possible with some new steel alloy but even then you are still left with the problems of a thin barrel:
Fast overheating, which then results in
→ Loss of accuracy for continues fire.

Probably the reason why they mounted 4 in the Su-8.
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More guns = less shots fired per gun for a specific number of rounds on target.

The NS-45 is a crazy light gun for the caliber after all.
In fact it was even lighter as the NS-37, which makes sense considering the thinner barrel.

I didn’t consider this before but on the Dev server they made the German BK 37 overheat in just 6 shots. But the gun is based on the ground AA gun, which can fire 60-70 shots before overheating.
Compared to the NS-37‘s 160kg, it weighs 450kg and one of the reason is the much thicker barrel, meant for AA work on the ground.
While the NS-37 was a purpose built aircraft gun.

Now the NS-45 not only uses a lighter barrel than even the NS-37, the larger caliber also means that more heat is being transferred per shot.

So while single shots might be accurate, a burst would heat up the barrel very quickly, increasing dispersion.

Combine that with the strong recoil, at least comparable to the NS-37, which in WT has practically no effect on the airframe, and you have a gun that was simply a design failure for any of its intended purposes.

Now even if the NS-45 had all those drawbacks in WT, it would still be effective, simply because mouse aim makes lining up a target so much easier than in RL.

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So are the morons who decided to buff/add the APHE to these Yak series, going to actually fix it?

A bit stupid to have to watch a few of these just one tap tank after tank.

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Yes, the Yak 9 is absurdly OP. It kills tanks like a modern jet strike fighter, out-flies any fighter in its BR range. When a Yak 9 appears it totally dominates the opposition. I just finished a match where a single Yak 9 came down and killed 4 of our planes in succession. You cannot evade it and you cannot catch it. It’s ridiculous.

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It is incredibly OP - the 45mm cannon can kill pretty much any tank in the game with just one shot. The main issue is the unrealistic performance of the plane combined with the science fiction accuracy of the cannon.

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i feel every prop yak is undertiered

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CAP should be atleast as expensive as CAS.

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Absolutely not lmao

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Yak-1, 7 and 9B are kinda fine.
Now, Yak-3 f.e. is insanely underBRed in Air RB, and I mean every version of Yak-3 with maybe exception of Yak-3P.

But in ground RB Yak-9K is indeed huge pain.
Trying to kill it with Bf 109 G6 in Ground RB is pure pain. Yak-9K with rudder roll is super hard to hit, and it can pull just enough to cause issues.
Also it’s fairly resistant to gunfire and trying to energy fight that plane takes ages, then Yak casually runs to AF and you’re not catching it, gg.

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It absolutely should

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No, it really shouldn’t.

That’s one of the dumbest suggestions to be put foward so far lmao

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No, the idea that a stronger vehicle should cost less is what’s stupid.

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That’s both dumb and not true lmao

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You mean the Yak-9K using ammo we have no documentation of it ever using and maintaining a flight performance that is entirely unrealistic?

Just good ole’ Russian Bias, as usual.

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Judging by the fact I’m like 7 to 1 in recent Fw 190 F8 vs Yak-9K encounters, I expect Yak to go down in BR. Ok, just joking, but people crash in this plane all.the time and are insanely target-fixated. Basically I BnZ them with goddamn 700kg of bombs attached and it somehow still works. Probably scored a kill even with 1200kg of bombs on board.
I’m not saying 9k is not insanely effective. It is. But the quality of an average user is horrible. Still most of my deaths by plane in a tank are of course by Yak-9K.