Pointing other times gaijin has been arbitrary doesnt strenghen the argument, it actually weakens it. No matter if it was actually planned, and even briefl funded, unfortunetly there was never a F-14D or F-14D(R) armed with amraams. Thats a strong point and gaijin will keep hammering it down, and its down to them to add up in the last stance.
No point in being so overly defensive about that.
Well that’s correct. However i don’t see the issue to not fix 54s properly. They are still way out of how they should be.
If anything GJ tried to AMRAAMify them more than recreating the results 54s had in tests and data recorded.
If you take it by the book 54C/C+ should have maximum performance inside the plane’s launching or even flying envelope . The thing can produce that performance if you go 3km higher than the plane’s ceiling and around 2,5 mach launch speed…
Also, even in lower altitude it shouldn’t behave like it has some kind of thrust vectoring and deplete all it’s energy trying to pull cobras for as much the motor is on. It has a very bad flight model.
If they fix that the plane should be ok.
Asking for AMRAAM , when it clearly didn’t use it won’t go anywhere.
Even if you can say NF-14D may did tests (possibly still classified etc.) as it it did with other weapons that F-14D never used (HARM/HARPOON) , that’s the NF-14D which is a different plane. And you won’t find what they changed to the planes to do those tests (possibly still classified material).
Example, they modified a F/A-18F to test AIM-174B … then after the tests they modified the fleet.
It didn’t mean because they put an AIM-174B on a F/A-18F to run the tests suddenly all the fleet could use it. It took months , if not years …and possibly it did tests before we see the picture in the press.
They could have scrap it and not release pictures even or data or anything. That’s their job there, test things… not take selfies "the me sporting 174Bs in ma nu 18 , i bought “box’ 30mil” , “today we HARPAWNing schooners in our 14Ds” .
People don’t get that the NFs are practically experimental planes. And they may have a lot of anecdotal modifications on them.
When/if they return them to frontline units they remove everything (or near everything) they may had in test units. They become the standard version again.
F-14 D R was suggested here because Gaijin already put the new build version at the premium, and most F-14 A that used to do the ordinance weight test was also the first batch to install F-14 D avionics as testing vehicles.
None the less they are going to put the same one on the tech tree anyway. If you hate to see a people can just get an identical plane for free after other already spend 80 dollars on a pack, you should support this suggestion, because this suggestion at least suggest Gaijin put a different version of F-14D to the tech tree for free.
Ah, so now I’m a hater of poor people? Lol
I see how the warthunder community endeavors to maintain its stereotypes steong for all these years.
Some of you guys should definelty grow a beard or touch some grass instead of getting offended by being disagreed upon a virtual (badly made) copy of an airplane you probably never even came close to in real life
That’s exactly my point. Some people here think that if they scream loud enough gaijin will actually listen. Its probably naivety, but anyone with more than a couple years of aciivity in this forum knows very well they will only move themselves wih peoper, overwhelming, evidence. Not just “muh i want x weapon system on ma plane”
It is your word against your word here. You are unhappy because Gaijin didn’t make a meaningfully different version of the TT F-14D. Then why are you unhappy with other players suggesting an F-14D with meaningfully different to the Premium version? This
I honestly advice you to reread all i wrote, cos the meaning cleary went over your head.
Then why are you angry. I can not see why you don’t want the F-14D(R) to have the planned D03 loadout. It was supported by tons of first-hand sources. It is a planned upgrade that didn’t go through.
It’s not a matter to what we want and if it was “planned” . It’s a matter that sources state that didn’t happen and GJ blocks and will block any attempt to convince them with that reason.
Instead the best we can do is push for fixes for the current.
For example better 54s according to real data.
What many people want the F-14D or wanted the 14D(R) to be… is more or less the NF-14D , which is a testbed plane and there are very few data on what modifications it really had . Most things around it are classified.
GJ may or may not give a NF-14D or 14A , but you can’t push the changes for the TT or the Premium because the planes showcased in the game are not NFs.
Now, if you tell me KH-38MT and Yak-141 i’ll say i agree GJ did BS with that, but still won’t make them make neither the TT or Premium a NF .
I call NF because that’s the only case they have the creators freedom to do changes like the ones you mention (the planned stuff) because those planes really tested the changes before they got cancelled.
However, since the IRIAF sold well, i can see them make an event NF. ANd they even have the creators freedom to use NF-14D with AMRAAM , because pictures or not those plane’s as weapon testers used a lot of stuff normal 14Ds didn’t. Or they can use NF-14A with AMRAAM and 9M at 13.0 with APG-71…because testbed…
F-14D with the original D03 software upgrade is the easiest implementation in the game.
AIM-120, HARH and Harpoon (maybe not) are existing assets in the game file.
Planned upgrades of the existing vehicles should already be sufficient to meet the suggested requirement. In-game vehicles with unrealised Upgrade Plan included:
Yak-141 radar+loadout, Mirage 4000 radar+loadout, SMS Sachsen AA defence, Gneisenau main cannon, RN Conte di Cavour AA defence, Me 264 (It should not have the Jumo 213E), Tiger II (Sla.16), MiG-29 9-12 with R-27ER, MiG-29G with R-27ER1 and R-27ET1, F-14 AM with R-27ER1, all WWII USSR destroyer with post war 130 mm ZS-46R HE-VT.
What are you trying to argue for? GJ must keep kicking a PR Hornet’s nest by selling out the F-14D premium pack buyer by putting a free, identical F-14D into the tech tree? How would a universal buff in AIM-54 fix that issue? They still spent $80 to buy a free identical F-14D.
Why would it suddenly be OK to put it into a magical testbed NF-14A with AMRAAM, 9M and APG-71 that is way more unrealistic than just F-14D(R)s with the original D03 software upgrade?
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Ok NF-14D. The only planes that used and tested parts of the upgrade. Make it a new plane , event toss it at 13.7 .
Why all the others that don’t want the NF/what if plane HAVE TO play that instead of the original?
And i’m all for it, but at least don’t kill the original ones.
And no it’s not the same to make a TT as NF. Either both , or the original only.
We can have both…
As i said myself GJ has done a lot of crap.
However you don’t understand what we tell you here.
You can have both the NF and the originals. You don’t have to mess the originals with the NFs.
Scrap the APG-71, i said a BS…trying to find a solution.
However ,
This is just as unrealistic… because it never happened. It was planned.
Did some NFs had those capabilities? As testbeds? Yes…
Ok then ask for the testbed for an event plane.
The 14D(R) NEVER had them.
The NFs with a little creator’s freedom, you can justify them…
That’s my point.
The NF-14A didn’t have APG-71, but you can say had AMRAAM and 9M.
It existed .
The D(R) with D03 never existed.
Best you can ask is a NF-14D with the extras it tested… and why not, AMRAAM . I think i’ve read somewhere they did tests (even without photos).
So as your magical NF-14D you just made up. You are clearly just arguing for your own preference instead of how GJ would act or their actual interest. The paid player hates to see the TT free F-14D to be the same as the premium version. What do you want? Your YAIM-54 to have a nuclear warhead? And people would suddenly forget they got ripped off?
You can’t into reading.
Block.
TT f14D being added after the community wanted it…
No just a f14D w/amraams because the only thing the production models needed was a software update they can make that exception especially when documents provide info of the f14 being capable of using AMRAAMs and guiding 4 (yes ik it didn’t get the capability) of them in testing as their is other more of a stretch especially the kh38mt,yak141,ho229(iirc) etc in the game
NF-14A with AMRAAMs is going to be atrocious because it likely has an AN/ALR-25 RWR and limited CMs.
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Huh? It would be like the f2a adtw and f2a you’ll still have access to a 13.0 premium f14D also all f14D should be capable of AMRAAMs theirs no special device the f14D needs like yall like to keep mentioning it is only missing the software update it needed, no documentation says a lot more modifications is needed other than just the software update
One thing I will say the flaw in the d03 tape is the harm did need a extra device and if (iirc) the alr67v(4) also so I could see it not getting harms for the harpoon I’m not sure how that work for it to work so frankly I would be okay with just getting f14D aim7p2 an aim120A at 13.3-13.7 without the lantern package for balancing
Plus a day ago someone leaked info of the manual f14D sms stating aim7,9,120 launchers and weapons
Proof that the f14D airframe can carry and launch aim120 has been done
Proof the f14D has tech for aim120 is their
Proof the apg71 can use aim120 and it limits is their (obv it needed software update)
Their is more than enough proof and it’s not a big stretch that people make it out to be compared to other stuff in game
Those who buy the pack don’t want their 80 usd F-14D identical to or worst than the free version. Which part of it you don’t understand
Yes and GJ EVERYTIME we come up with this, comes with it got cancelled and ignores us.
Yes a 1985 manual, and has were the missiles would be stationed IF the program came to life.
I’ll explain as simple as i can , maybe i’m writing wrong, maybe some read wrong.
I’m not against a F-14 with 120s or Harpoons or D03 or whatever.
The problem is they say no for a valid reason. The Tomcat they want those 14Ds they make , they want them without all that and whatever anyone will say they will keep dismissing it because their answer is valid.
So instead asking the 14Ds to have 120s etc. you can ask for an NF that we know it tested weapons.
With a stretch you can get it with 120s because it was weapon testbed. Now will it be more imaginary than getting the D03 upgrade that was cancelled in the 14D? Not really. At least the NFs we know they tested HARMs/HARPOONs and we don’t really know about 120s because it wasn’t only that 1981 test we have pictures of… someone had something about it in the forums , search it i cba now , i want to play.
Just ask for a thing they might say yes and they won’t dismiss just because they have a valid answer to spam.
The F-14D(R) are supposed to mean the NF-14As, which were later upgraded to D(R). That’s why F-14D(R) with D03 upgrade is picked.
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Just like the TT f14D. Plus witch just shows if enough people showed interest it can be made possible and keep pushing for it like even though it was cancelled it can still be added in game do to other stretch scenarios that could be found in game
Nope the actual Navair f14D manual and even the 2004 version still have it listed
Like I said above the whole f14D aim120A is less of a stretch than the ones that can already be found in game like just the idea of prototypes are a stretch and also giving them weapons they planned on having are a stretch hell the f-90/r27 are a stretch and some say the kh38mt are aswell frankly I don’t think it should get harms and harpoons because I do know the harms did need a extra device to use harms for harpoons tbh I don’t know how they function so I’ll leave that their. And btw they already have the f14D they wanted they could at least give what some the community will like to see witch is a f14D w/ aim120A an aim7p2