Producing A2s is entirely different than upgrading A2s to the A3 standard.
For example the Boxer RCH155 has been in development since 2014 meaning A3 standard has existed since by your same logic.
I means that there was very little empty time, and then the production line was soon replaced for A3.
You’re claiming something completely different is the same thing.
Am I? You claimed something was an A2 from the Janes article, that doesn’t mention A2 for an A3 prototype for increased 2 tonnage weight from the base A3 through upgraded suspension to prevent the wheels from colliding with the chassis in the back. There was no imaginary prototype A3 for the UK. You are spreading misinformation, the A3 standard already existed.
This was a demonstration by ARTEC in 2021 for the UK that they could increase the A3’s max weight for the RCH 155 in the event they needed to up-armor the module. So technically this is an A3+.
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Haha, so it WAS literally an A3…
In case anyone doesn’t have access to Twitter…
Not only that, but it could be the exact same drive module used for the Boxer MGS
Well for one, it’s literally using the A3 Hubcaps. :)
Ok, I admit my previous statement about weight was wrong because I know that twitter came from Nicholas Drummond, the UK manager for KNDS.
However, I agree with the developer’s answer that it will have the TE20 engine since it was first unveiled in 2020, just like before.
Again though, Artec documentation shows that the A2 chassis would not be cleared or capable of carrying the MGS module, it would place it over the 36.5 tonne limit.
In fact, the MGS module probably required the development of the A3.
I think we should see here that the rear module is completely replaced, most likely they adjusted the rear module to fit the weight limit
The drive module and the “mission module” are completely separate parts, intended so that they can be quickly swapped out as needed. The MGS missions module would be too heavy for an A2.
That’s possible, but when they first revealed the vehicle in 2020, they had a hard time putting much power into the vehicle due to COVID-19.
If remove all the equipment for the 8 crew from the existing rear module and install the equipment for the turret and ammunition, it is possible to install it within the weight limit, in which case the in-game weight should be reduced.
DSEI 2017 showcasing the A3 Boxer for UK acquirement, stating it accounts for higher vehicle gross weight.
They mention the ability to mount the RCH 155, so story checks out.
I don’t know where you heard that, but you don’t know anything about it. Also, can you take responsibility for this?
The problem then is the weight of the turret. I have some primary documents on the Cockerill turrets but none mention the weight. Even then, it would be very close to the limit. I suspect that the MGS was a way of demonstrating the improvements brought to the A3 standard as the MGS module was the largest ever mounted on a Boxer up to that point besides the RCH which was from 2016 and probably a mockup at that stage.
might have been mistaken, sth weird heared from 4chan
you might have noticed how i deleted it in less then a minute since i realised 4chan might not be the best source
Found an image on the AMAP behind the front two wheels which is very clear on where it is.
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Isn’t that already on the armour model?
Right now, from the looks of it, 2009-2011 A1, 2012-2014 A2, 2014-Present A3 is what it looks like if we consider the RCH 155’s development timeline.
Modeled, sort of. Correctly? No, we’re missing plates on the back wheels and the plates aren’t modeled as AMAP. And the AMAP on the upper hull is considered “composite” when it should be Aluminum-Ceramic-Vinylester sandwich, then sandwiched between aluminum plates to hold it together.
It would need an effectiveness from 360 degrees against 43mm of penetration at 200mm, which it doesn’t protect against even 50cals at the moment.
I still don’t like how this drivers port is modeled. The fact you can shoot the gunner through the drivers port with a machine gun is, cool I guess. :)
Yea it is, 8mm steel