German F-4F Historical Improvements: AIM-9L Compatibility, and Countermeasures for the Early (PART 3)

but the f4c gets aim7s where as the german f4 doesn’t get anything but poor ir missiles

i would not consider 9J poor

it is when you have no front aspect choice, unlike other f4s that have aim7s to attack from the front

or you can get good and learn when, how, and where to fire AIM-9J

It already has the Agile Eagle upgrade, and lowering it to 10.0 would create a lot of balancing issues. Gaijin knew this, which is why they chose not to do it and instead gave it AIM-9Js.

Is this an alt account?

it won’t fit at 10.0 with AE and 9J so lets put it at 10.7 with no CMs

no

i think it would be fine at 10.0 if given AIM-9F, decent boom and zoom and energy dogfighting but missile not too powerful, will provide a decently different experience to mirage, F-1, F-4C and F-8E

Come on, man. These posts are about improving the current state of the Phantom family, yet you’re getting upset with me instead of helping us find ways to improve it. That’s disappointing. We all want the game to be better, so let’s focus on discussing the suggestions rather than attacking the person making them. I saw your vote on the British Phantoms too. Come on, man.

who is getting upset? i’m not angry i’m talking how to balance
i think you are upset because i provide reason why F-4F can be 10.0 with changes

You’ve created an alt

he literally said no

Not to be that guy but what lvl1 is doing in f4f thread then

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He did say yes, but then he edited his message. I guess we’ll never know now.

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…and repeating the same arguments over and over again. It’s honestly disappointing when you’re just trying to improve aircraft that people spent a lot of time grinding, only for them to become far less enjoyable because of the current Fox-2 meta and a simple addition of countermeasures would fix it.

That got me thinking. why would Gaijin add that?

The tech tree F-4F doesn’t have AIM-9Ls because they were intentionally omitted for balance reasons. The F-4F Early appears to be in a similar position with the AIM-9Js, which raises whether it represents an early implementation of the Peace Rhine upgrade that was added long before the tech tree F-4F, but without the AIM-9Ls for the same balancing reasons.

If that’s the case, then both aircraft should receive AIM-9Ls. The F-4F Early should also receive the rest of the historically accurate Peace Rhine upgrades instead of remaining in this incomplete, half-upgraded state. If that’s the case, then surely it would make more sense to implement something like this instead.