Does anyone have any pics of the ZBD04A inside with spall liner?
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/g4zLFHJEn8H9
It appears to have been shared in a document titled “兵器科学技术学科发展报告2014-2015” (Google translate says that means “Weapons Science and Technology Discipline Development Report 2014-2015”, but that’s attached to the part of the report that only the developers can see.
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Do you guys seriously not get their point?
I’m just a 3rd party observing the thread so I have nothing in this argument, but even I get the what they are saying, even though I’m also on the opinion that it does not have spall liners
Their problem is that SneedSellsFeed continuously says that the Abrams has no spall liner, even though they (apparently) have evidence that it does AND it was also acknowledged just like the Chinese tanks
What makes this even more hilarious that you guys (China side) are complaining about them being off topic (which is deserved), while literally the only thing you would need to do to end the whole Abrams discussion is simply just NOT replying: “ummm actually it doesn’t have spall liners :)”
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Of course I’m gonna say that it doesn’t have spall liners - because the only reason why the Abrams hasn’t gotten spall liners is because it’s extremely contested and it’s basically well-known that it doesn’t have spall liners.
All proof and images gravitate towards it not having spall liners. And I do not wish to create a false equivalence with Chinese vehicles that clearly do have spall liners, acknowledged, and the Abrams which almost certainly doesn’t - but has been acknowledged out of pity.
It’s the main reason why I had to respond to someone equating the M1 to the Chinese vehicles. For Chinese vehicles - it is clear-cut. For the Abrams, it’s very much a topic of contest.
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Abrams doesn’t have spall liners because the DOD figured out that depleted uranium woven flak jackets were more effective at protecting crew from spall.
You can easily verify this by reading the congress reports.
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Yes. That’s why I think just increasing Abrams crew vitality by ~200% would be fine. The crew of the Abrams should have more health than regular crews to make up for the lack of a spall liner. Then we can all be happy.
Make it a mod, just like the G-Suit.
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Pot calling the kettle black here.
The new Taiwanese AH-1W is nearly perfect implementation wise as of today, would indeed be a shame if the Taiwanese M1A2T would not also be as well implemented as the 1W.
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If the M1A2T ends up being similar to the M1A1 AIM - that is a perfect implementation to me.
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So now you are moving the goalpost from
They ACKNOWLEDGED the spall liners. Unlike the Abrams.
The Abrams does not have a spall liner, nor has it been acknowledged.
to
O-Okay they might have acknowledged it but it was out of pity
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Yes, because I hadn’t even known that they had acknowledged any reports at all at that time.
I think that’s pretty obvious…?
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Assuming Abrams doesnt have Spall Liners and reports got refused then this is not a bad idea, if they do this and add kevlar bodysuit for crew members it will practically be same as Spall liners.
The Abrams crew wearing kevlar is absolutely true. That wouldn’t be up for debate.
I don’t know about other tank crews… But if every other nation gets spall liners soon and America doesn’t get the SEP V3 that does have spall liners and a DU hull - a “Kevlar Vest” modification to increase crew survivability would be a good addition.
On the topic of Chinese spall liners - this video of the ZTQ-15 shows the same exact layered material as the VT-4’s interior:
This is a very visible and thick layer of white lining just like the T-90M. With a very visible seam along the hatch openings.
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Also, here is an AMAZING bug report on Chinese spall liners with MANY images available. I would add it to the original post, but it has been locked.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/u1eWnPupv39Y
We can also see that the VT-4 has side spall liners, so they’re not merely in the turret.
I would say that - with all of the information that has been gathered over a fairly long period of time, the developers have more than enough to have a very accurate representation of the layout of spall liners in Chinese vehicles. And that it really is just them deciding to act upon it now.
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Report this troll, he is attacking people and using slurs literally everywhere.
Calling people “schizo”
“Discount russian”
Etc.
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Man’s literally named manifest destiny, you are a walking hypocrite
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Calm down, pal.
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make a ticket to the forums mods, and have them find out whos reporting our posts for spam so they get banned
I’ve had enough of Gaijin’s prejudice against Chinese tanks
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The Abrams doesn’t have spall liner and there are videos of all these Chinese tanks with them.
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Oh come on people. The Leopard 2 A7V has spall liners and they were simply thrown away because the Leo probably survived one too many hits from the T tank. :-)
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