Oh no - not the Americans again…
Listen, you DO realize that the very report you just posted has:
images clearly showing that there is no spall liner
an implication that an “integrated” spall liner exists, which is absolutely insane
The “documents” used are purely of a general nature, with no technical specifications - and are essentially informative articles. The articles themselves have images of the interior showing only bare metal… So you have neither images nor technical specifications to go off of.
What implores you to come here to the Chinese spall liner thread and post this very, very poor report on the Abrams? That has not only already been posted in this thread, but also debunked.
The documents I’ve seen for the Ariete indeed do not mention any hull spall liner, only turret. But if they were at least on the side… Well - at least the Ariete is getting a spall liner. At least it’s something. Fixing the WAR kit is definitely far more important for the Ariete, though, because of the limited spall liner coverage.
For Chinese tanks, the spall liner would be a lot more critical because they appear to have a much better coverage.
I mean the ariete is likely the tank that will take the most advantage on the spall liner in the turret front as they can easily pen it unlike the leopard
Yes, but the Ariete doesn’t have a turret ammo rack, nor does the liner cover the large breech area.
So, from your perspective, if you hit the left cheek - spall liner or no liner, you will take out the gunner and commander.
If you hit the right cheek - spall liner or no liner, you will take out the loader.
If you hit the breech area, as there is no spall liner there, the splash has stayed the same.
The only possible advantage I could see is that in extreme situations - hitting the right cheek might have incurred enough spalling and splash to scrape the ammunition right under, but due to the position of the ammo, this is very unlikely.
Essentially, the spall liner has done nothing. The Leopard and T-90M spall liners are so much more effective because spalling has less travel and there’s less critical surface area when a tank’s being shot side-on. And flanks are the most devastating for these tanks with strong frontal armor.
Additionally, their frontal hull spall liners will absorb very relevant spalling that would go down the length of the vehicle and lower the chance of turret crew death. For the Ariete - the crew shot through the cheek is dying regardless of spall liner.
So, it’s really essentially very little. Basically nothing. These are the basic defensive properties of spall liners.
A UFP spall liner to the VT-4 would heavily increase its survivability? As it currently gets one-shot through the UFP, but it most likely wouldn’t with its full UFP spall liner, as seen in the images. It additionally might have an LFP spall liner which would be extremely useful.
A full side spall liner would also increase the survivability of the tank by a fair margin. And these are all spall liners that the vehicles do indeed have. Which is the point of the thread.
You do realize that I just had a conversation with Nowel regarding the effectiveness of spall liners depending on their coverage? You clearly haven’t read any of it and are only here to “get in the way”, so to speak.
Real problem will be LFP, its so gigantic that everyone will target that weakspot, but for side or other shots Spall liners will increase the survivability a lot.
Panther already conceeded in DMs that he was wrong he ran out of any actual points and gave up when it comes to bizzare claim that the challenger is better than the abrams ingame
I’m not even gonna read what you guys have texted to each other but i would kindly prefer that y’all keep your beef in your dms instead of here if it doesn’t regard Chinese vehicles
It’s very likely to also have an LFP spall liner. It already has its composites go down into the LFP so I believe it is very likely. The problem is that the actual surface on the interior where the LFP would be is covered by electronics and screens for the driver.
Well, there’s this documentary video where we can see the assembly process for the VT-4 (from 13:00 to 15:00) - 【【1080P央视纪录片】威武之师背后的财经密码 6集【全】-哔哩哔哩】 第一集：陆战之王-坦克装甲篇(下)_哔哩哔哩_bilibili
Where it is somewhat visible.
Really - the biggest issue is that most documentaries and interior shots are those from the turret position, as the driver is often overlooked.
True, but at the same time the guy that should stop this ranting, joins them and shows how much hatred he has too.
China deserves to be in a tech tree obviously, it has good tanks, but at the same time i fail to see how spall liners would increase its survivability but at the same time people just gonna shoot at:
Ofc but in the if the spall liners can help just go for them, i personally don’t know anything about it but i guess spall liners for Abramses wouldn’t make the tank immortal either right?
I guess for the Abrams that still got the same armor from the 80’s with tons weigh added to it within the tech tree but there’s no improvements whatsoever, but yeah spall liners would definetly help it survive much more specially shots from the sides which it would survive but thank god there’s no ammo there.
