I mean, the fact that you have to explain this to him is all the proof I need to support the statement. Furthermore, tactics are really easy. It’s all just variations on Fix-Flank-Envelop.
It’s too bad you can never do stuff like that in War Thunder. I mean you could, but it would require too much from a typical playerbase.
Not strictly true. A small detachment of CVR(T)s were deployed in the fire support role, though it’s worth noting there were about 8. In other words, not many.
“During the 1982 Falklands War four Scorpions, four Scimitars and a Samson of B Squadron, Blues and Royals, saw action on East Falkland Island, supporting 2nd Battalion, Parachute Regiment, on Wireless Ridge and the Scots Guards on Mount Tumbledown.” From Wikipedia.
Just want to give specifics.
We studied this fight as part of our tactics training at The Basic School. The Marines tend to study fights like these because they closely match how we envision fighting.
You say this like it’s top secret info.
There were no MBTs.
Not everywhere is suitable for them and that was my point.
Isn’t that they using Lanz-Odermatt formula for APDS and APFSDS projectiles for 4-5 years ?
The USMC would have had tanks. It’s in our doctrine.
I just wanted to credit the source so I didn’t take credit for the verbage. The facts presented are easily verified in many places NOT wikipedia. shrug You do you though.
fair.
Point stands regardless.
Then you would have spent the war pulling them out of the marsh
Sigh. If you think scorpions don’t have the same issues I can’t help you with that. I don’t think you believe a word I say
Respectfully though, it was not the USMC landing on the Falklands, but RM/Paras. They brought the CVR(T)s because they would’ve been the only vehicles that could cope.
Argentina brought Amtracs, and they had to stick to roads aside from the pebbly beachheads (although by memory, even one of those bogged down on a beach.)
Tanks would’ve been even worse. The vast majority of movement was done by helicopter too, though there are instances of the Blues and Royals assisting in moving troops.
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen photos of the Falklands, but if you haven’t (and for everyone elses benefit) i’ll describe - it is marshy underfoot. It is damp. There are vast outcrops of rocks, which are difficult to pass even with foot soldiers.
Outside of Port Stanley, the “settlements” or roads, tanks would barely be usable, other than in the indirect fire support role. The vast majority of this was provided by NGS, or 105mm Artillery (helicoptered around the Island).
The reason Scorpions and Scimitars had no dramas is a) they mostly stuck to roads (one was mined in the process), and b) when they didn’t, their very low ground pressure helped them (and a second overturned while crossing a bridge)
The same cannot be said of perhaps an M60.
I have been to the Falklands.We got our land rover stuck and the truck they sent to tow us out got stuck and the recovery vehicle they sent for that got stuck.We were not popular men. Please don’t try and tell me the US Marines would have bowled around the Falklands in MBTs.
There’s a reason we left the Chieftains in Germany or at home haha
It’s not that I don’t believe the USMC wouldn’t bring tanks, it’s more I believe they’d bring tanks and leave them at the beachhead. They’d have a better chance bringing a Destroyer up Two Sisters or Wireless Ridge than an MBT
I am sure the Chiefs would have broken down on an Island of tarmac : ) Hopefully facing the right way.
I am sure the US Marines would have paved the Falkland Islands,built a motorway and set up a McDonalds and a Walmart before a fighting man set foot on there : )
I wasn’t there during the war by the way I am not that old : )
You need not worry, I wasn’t even alive around then. Only reason I know how bloody hideous it is is thanks to relatives/family friends telling me
It’s a horrible place, wet and the f****** wind Jesus.They should have let the Argies keep it.
The USA Marines would have rolled it up before morning parade tanks or no tanks.
We are very keen on our rock collection I hope you know :)
The only reason we kept it first time round is because the poor sods who live there very blatantly wanted to be British.
They did and that is reason enough.
Of course we know!!!..According to BP experts, oil reserves in the economic zone of the Falkland Islands are 60 billion barrels, which is the 5th place in the world.Argentina considers this oil to be its own…Fish and access to Antarctica are small things…
