Well that would be a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
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AIM9L’s? Cmon now, just give it back the original ordinance, AIM9L/I.
Who’s even gonna play it otherwise? It’ll just get outshined by the F-5E FCU, and will feel like nothing more than your average SCU…
And please, there’s absolutely no need to add a completely unhistorical missile to it cough cough penguin cough cough. And if you’re going to as the only selling point, at least make it good instead of this, 2.5km lock range is laughable.
Just please, give it the 9L/I for gods sake.
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If you have a problem with it having the penguin, you shouldn’t be saying it should have the AIM-9L/I. Because it never had it in real life. Gaijin just didn’t do their homework properly and now everybody is mad and confused for the wrong reasons.
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as long as it is F-5, it will still outshine those Subsonic AIM-9L carriers on 10.7-11.0
And it’s Norwegian. I think a lot of people are underestimating how many Norwegians will main this plane because of this reason. I am one of those people.
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What’s their reasoning for not giving it CCIP? That it doesn’t have a radar or TGP for rangefinding?
They realise A-10A(early) has CCIP without a radar or LRF, right?
What do they imagine the Norwegians installed a HUDWAC and RLG Inertial Measuring Unit for?
Here is the bug report my good friend Dovre sent that got rejected sadly.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/sfiLJozxfdxn
where does it say it can’t lock tanks?
Journal of Electronic Defense - Oct 1, 1994
Sierra Technologies, Inc. announced the completion of its work to upgrade F-5A/Bs for the Royal Norwegian Air Force. Sierra upgraded 15 aircraft with “F-16-similiar” equipment linked via a Mil-Std-1553B data bus to enable the aircraft to be used as lead-in trainers for F-16 pilots. Based on the company’s Tiger-PAWS upgrade package, enhancements included the integration of an F-16 Head Up Display Weapon Aiming Computer from GEC-Marconi Avionics, redesign of the throttle quadrant to allow Hands-on Throttle and Stick functions and rearrangement of the F-5s instrument panel to a configuration closer to the F-16’s. Sierra also added a Litton Guidance and Control LN-93 Ring Laser Gyro INS, a GEC Miniature Standard Central Air Data Computer, a new angle of attack system, and a video camera/recorder. Other team members on the program, which began with contract award in January 1991, included Clifton Instruments, Rosemount, Collins Avionics, Elmo and Sony Corp.
Contrary to what gaijin’s anonymous “Bug Reporting Manager #XYZ” said, the HUD does include a Weapon Aiming Computer
This is the brochure for the older F-16A HUDWAC that Marconi produced, which states:
Marconi HUDWAC brochures
https://ark-raa.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/documents/q0PVL194F3_1698822150.pdf
https://ark-raa.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/documents/7hclQVPkTM_1698822151.pdf
The F-16C/F-16A(MLU) HUDWAC in the F-5A(G) is an improved version made by Marconi and pictured in the brochures next to the screencapped text above
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Massive find
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You know what else is massive?
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11.0 with AIM-9L 😬
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Made a new ticket with the evidence from the HUDWAC brochures, since they closed all the other CCIP tickets:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jkeHINX0G93g
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That’s all Gaijin in it, F-104S.ASA got bumped from 11.3 to 12.0 for having AIM-9L…
Probably won’t stay at that BR for long.
Time to see if Gaijin is truly committed to keeping their weapons “non-fiction”.
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Dont forget AJ168 as well
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@Stona_WT surely it can, but after seing how GCS-1 was treated I think it is reasonable for developers to disclose their source for Penguin’s capability to lock ground targets
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Look here as well: “An inertial navigation system (INS) ring laser gyro was installed enabling accurate navigational information to be transmitted to the HUDWACS to improve the accuracy of the information for weapons delivery”.
Spoiler
“Canadair CF-5 Freedom Fighter” by Anthony L. Stachiw
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“Ships being the intended target” and yet again another ASM that’s useless against ships because Gaijin don’t want to put any effort into modelling ASM’s or AI ships correctly
Yeah, the CF-116 HUDWAC is also GEC-Marconi’s work.
As installed in a CF-116D
Logic would tell you that the CF-116 AUP and F-5A(G) Tiger PAWS HUDWAC upgrades from the same year ~1991 only really differ in therms of the Pilot’s Display Unit (where the Tiger PAWS one is modelled to look the same as the F-16C PDU using the same Optical Unit, UFCP, and Combiner assy.). Both programs share the same RLG unit and SADC in addition to having Marconi-built HUDWACs.
But the Report Manager seems to believe it has to be the same computer architecture as the F-16 the display came from (even though the brochure explains that the EC architecture is modular and custom built for the aircraft), and for some reason Viggen and Blackburn Buccaneer that use 20 year older technology for the HUDWAC, as they appeared in the history footnote of the 1984 brochure.
With that said. BAE’s (who took over GEC-Marconi) own avionics heritage organisation the Rochester Avionic Archive, state that the fire control unit for the F-16C is a component contained in the HUDWAC Electronic Unit - which follows how the HUDWAC brochure describes the EU in providing combined imagery and fire control computation
https://rochesteravionicarchives.co.uk/items/f-16c-d-hud-electronics-unit
The F-16 C/D Electronics Unit contains twenty circuit boards. The Processor/Symbol Generator uses the MIL-STD 1553B (Standardised Electronic Data Highway) databus architecture, the MIL-STD-1750 (Standardised Computer architecture) processor and the MIL-STD-1589A (Standardised Jovial J73 Computer language) software. This was the first time that all three Standards had been used together and the Company was way ahead of its US rivals in this respect. The foundations for the implementation of these Standards was laid down by FARL from 1978 and led to a highly successful LSI chipset for the 1553 Databus. The HUD EU has comprehensive video mixing and scan conversion and self-contained weapon aiming capability.
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