wohoo stun won in the end(although not getting added rn)
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"As for the introduction of the stun mechanic, more were against introducing this mechanic than were in favor, so we will postpone its development for now. "
Didn’t you even look at the results ?
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yeah, all that stuff needs to go . . . keep it simple. A “stun” effect should be simple, no added “features”, just a short delay to allow for the crew to get their bearings. Not an immediate return of fire like nothing ever happened. To me personally, that is a HUGE issue and the most annoying/frustrating part of tank play. I would love to see a proper stun mechanic, but nothing as convoluted as presented . . that would most likely be a nightmare and drive player frustration to new levels . . lol. But I think they idea is sound and has merit, just not in the form they have laid out . . . no, not that at all . … . keep it simple . . . .
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See I don’t even want that. I do not want nor support a mechanic that adds “do nothing” time. The repair times are already horrendously bad. If they were capped at 30 seconds regards the number of affected modules and their status, then maybe. But as currently proposed and those of which others have suggested; I’m 107% against.
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And when are they going to check the penetration of the 20mm cannon of the Marder and Weasel? The APCR ammunition clearly does not work correctly and it is impossible to kill tanks with 10mm with that cannon, when with a 12.70 you can kill it without problems. A real shame of programming.
yup
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No reason to invalidate the results of the poll, however, nor call to do so.
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Yep. From what I’ve seen on Reddit, easily 25% of the “no” votes were ignorant, 50% of which regretted their initial “no” vote (so about 12.5%) and 50% of which still claimed that “well, anyway, I would still have voted anyway!”.
The best part is how they are aggressive everywhere, raging at the “yes” voters and Gaijin and insulting everyone and even though they won because “Gaijin didn’t completely ditch it out forever”.
Even if the 60-40% figure was accurate, the fact that they can’t understand that Gaijin can’t just dismiss 40% of the players is hilarious.
If it had been a 85-15% vote, like the others, this would be the adecuate course of action, yes; but when it’s just 60-40% (more like 50-50 without the ignorant votes) like it’s been, further study is warranted in an attempt at reaching a solution that pleases everyone or, at least, the largest amount of people.
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Yep. From what I’ve seen on Reddit, easily 25% of the “no” votes were ignorant, 50% of which regretted their initial “no” vote (so about 12.5%) and 50% of which still claimed that “well, anyway, I would still have voted anyway!”.
[Citation needed™]
like 50-50 without the ignorant votes
[Citation needed™]
60-40 is a pretty clear majority against the mechanic, and you want to… ignore the results.
Right.
They have already stated they might review the mechanic in the future, but for now that majority has voted against it… so it wont be implemented, which is good. Would you rather gaijn just… ignore the results of the poll??
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I never said anything about ignoring the poll’s results, for God’s sake.
But what can’t be ignored either is that there’s a difference between a 85-15% poll result where the majority is abundantly clear, and a 59-41% poll that’s signifies that the community is split in an almost 50-50 level.
In an 85-15 case, you can ignore the minority of the 15% because they are a small minority. But in a 59-41 case, it’s nearly half the playerbase we are talking about.
Therefore, the matter goes from a simple “yes/no” one to a more nuanced one that requires a deeper look into it.
And you can’t ignore either that there’s been enormous amounts of misinformation that conditioned these results as well.
But most of all: 59-41 is not the same as 85-15. You continue to preach about “majorities”, but you need to understand that a 59% majority is not the same as a 85% majority.
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that conditioned these results as well.
[Citation needed™]
Please prove that it had a concrete impact on the poll results.
You continue to preach about “majorities”, but you need to understand that a 59% majority is not the same as a 85% majority.
alright lemme just get election resul-
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Come on the difference is almost 20% and it amounts to more then 9000 responders. That is pretty clear majority in any polling or democracy system.
While I imagine that some may have been confused I highly doubt that it would be to such extend that it would flip the results.
I honestly don’t understand why are you so focused on this. From the original description it sounds way way worse then what people are imagining when they hear WOT stun, so I would think that if everyone actually paid attention to the blog it would be way way more people against.
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War Thunder community business as usual.
Scaremongering echochamber of persecution complexes.
“The community” as we see, doesn’t seem to broadly understand that loads of people wanted these new mechanics. Reading criticism of the vote, you’d imagine that the votes were 70% no instead of not even 60%. It’s quite marginal. ~140k players online right now, ~50k votes total, something like ~30k votes against. Ohhh nooo! barely 21% of the playerbase doesn’t like a change and 14% did. It’s not really massive.
But “the community” insists it’s some malicious agenda by Gaijin that they… Plan to think more about something and see if people would like an updated proposal…
They do a lot wrong, but you can definitely see that “the community” has a serious tendency to overreact. Observe the reaction whenever the Soviet Union gets some of their equipment… Because they designed and fielded lots of equipment. History is to blame for that.
I’m sure if a NATO country ever collapsed and loads of their secret prototypes got posted online, we’d see a lot of it. As it stands, we’ve got one “side” having all their secrets kept nicely, and we’ve got another “side” with almost no meaningful secrecy.
Same thing with the “Russian Bias” where we’ve got people who display 0 knowledge of how the game works explaining how it’s all biased, vs dataminers who keep showing how there’s at least 0 evidence in the client of any bias. Or players who just straight up don’t seem to understand there are upsides and downsides. We’re not talking about people who say “Yeah but X upside doesn’t matter because Y.” Just people who don’t even seem to be aware or just outright deny it.
Post-truth game discourse is wild.
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Terrible, terrible take dude. The results of the poll should stand. People said no and that should be it. No vote is perfect but this obsession that Reddit was the most influential factor and speaks for everyone is just wrong.
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Do you know that normal prediction polls (for elections and such) only need around 1000 to represent 8 mil electorate with decend accuracy? The idea that only 50k players voted from much much larger communit and threfor the poll is innacurate is laughable.
The most you can say is that the rest of the community doesn´t care but even then you will have majority of people who are against it. And I would dare say that the silent/casual majority who doesn´t care/didn´t know about the vote would not like the mechanic as it is implemented.
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Yes. That’s entirely because it’s conducted by trained sociologists familiar with sociological methods around how to construct methodologies for studies, pick representative people and so on.
The idea that only the number matters is just ignorant. The number doesn’t matter whatsoever unless you’ve constructed an appropriate methodology, an appropriate questionnaire and asked appropriate people to fill it out.
Gaijin’s method crucially doesn’t follow any of that whatsoever.
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I never said this. I only refer to Reddit as a sample of what may have taken place at a larger scale.
My point is, in any case; why be bothered this much? The “no” option won and “no” voters still ramble about Gaijin not fully entirely ditching the mechanic forever even though it is ditched for now and can be ditched again in the future…
If Gaijin repeats the poll after reworking the proposal and the voting still results is “no” again, there will be no implementation anyway. There is nothing to be this bothered about.
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But the mechanic should be dropped all together. That’s my point of contention with this. If the player base that participated said no, why does it need revisiting later? What was the point of the vote if you’re just disregarding the results. “No” is a no. Not a “maybe a yes if there is some revision”.
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Are you afraid of the mechanic getting a “yes” vote after the rework or something? Of a different view actually winning?
If even after a rework the proposal gets voted “no” again, that will be the end of it.
Gaijin is permanently conclusive when the difference is as big as 85-15; but the difference between 59-41 is SMALL. Of course they don’t want to make the decission permanently conclusdive, you should understand this. This is a nuanced voting mechanism where they try to figure how to please as many people as possible, not an absolute 50%+1 system.
My point stands; if they subject it to vote again in the future, it will be as easy as voting “no” again.
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