600mm*, Leopard 2A4 has 600mm RHA equivalent chassis armor.
No 120mm ammunition has anywhere close to 850mm of angled pen let alone 1000.
And as proven in the post you replied to DM53 has 700mm of pen even above 1500 meters.
That is not the UFP though. thats the drivers hatch (or rather just below it where the UFP doesn’t have as many layers).
(That entire square Infront of the drivers head has less armor than the rest of the front plate)
If i shoot where your crosshair is in your image i get this:
Though OP is wrong you’re not doing yourself any favours by twisting things this way.
@Necronomica
Your post is claiming the entire UFP is the driver’s hatch; I hope that’s unintentionally. Then showing a screenshot of the driver’s hatch proving my post correct.
If you shot where my crosshair was, this is what you get:
There’s a reason I use the horizontal board across the front as my reference, at and below that board is far below the driver’s hatch.
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sources?
sources?
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no
severe skill issue
Where did i claim this?
Please quote where i said this.
I didn’t, in your fist screenshot you are shooting in an area that is lower armored than the rest of the UFP.
Here you go, exact spot, down to the same angle, position and exact mm of equivalent protection:
Zero penetration.
Edit:
Correction: rather slight penetration some of the time.
ok i think the way he implied is confusing
he shot differently and it penned and move his crosshair to show it penned but the way he said it is confusing so(hes always confusing people)
also theres funny stuff on RU vehicle for stuff like T-80UK or 90A theres a little gap in between ERA plates that can pen or non pen, but its luck and pixel hunt
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If you check out Leopard 2A7’s penetration ability against T-90M (etc.) in real life, it can penetrate from chassis. It has 650mm to 700mm affect when it shoots to T-90M Proryv, T-80BVM (etc). older DM53’s can’t penetrate, but newer DM53’s can penetrate Russian tanks, at the limit. If the tank gives enough horizontal angle, but in game, it doesn’t even needs it.
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T-90M doesn’t use Kontakt 5 thus would would be a misrepresentation.
DM53 was primarily designed to defeat Kontakt 5 + armor.
Relikt didn’t exist yet, and Relikt was designed to protect against DM53 + armor.
u should be clearer next time
okay what are the sources for your claim?
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I usually hit center mass on an ERA block but was rushed, so I hit my standard position which is still an ERA block below the running bar to avoid hitting driver’s port area.
Either way I avoided the driver’s area and avoided “pixel hunting”.
Especially since overlapping plates incorrectly increase armor protection in War Thunder.
Overlapped plates no ERA hit:
ERA hit no overlapped plates:
That’s BVM for specifics.
And T-90A:
3BM60 was used cause I closed the game for a break earlier.
The outer part of the UFP ends higher up than the inside part:
Which is why i in my first response said:
Edit:
Additionally, i don’t think any of the MBT’s at BR 11.0 gets access to the DM53 either so it’s not even a fair comparison to begin with. Better to go for BR to BR comparisons if you’re going for in-game things.
Edit2:
I remembered that it’s easier to do this to show what area has weaker armor:
Anything in that square has less equivalent armor than the rest of the UFP, on average, no pixel hunting.
Edit3:
Why did you change this screenshot without even mentioning it?
You seem to don’t even know common things of tanks. You are trying to make me send you a government file that already got LEAKED I guess. You can check the files and footages of what I say, and you’ll sew the proof. You are just trying to be toxic here, lol.
I’m plsying the game for fun, and I have a bad pc for near to a year.
Also, as I said I play the game for fun, I’m not saying “I can’t pen, buff it”. I just gave advice to game to make it fair to other players.
I’m not saying I want to become unkillable, I just say “make the game fair enough for others too”.
Since there is weakspots at Leopard 2’s too (280mm NERA part, under the mantlet, between cheeks and chassis etc.)