I can’t really remember any mentions about the APCR round in Finnish sources. It could have been that rare.
Definitely T-50 requires it’s own way of fighting if the enemies know to shoot at the turret. If it had turret rotation speed of T-34, it could be even at 3.0, but with this it’s too difficult to get the first shot.
Must have been really poor cranking system if it really had this poor rotation speed or it’s unknown and snail uses it as balance function.
It was hand cranked irl, so the slow speed is there.
I dont understand why the traverse of the T-80 and T-50 are not same, one would think that the T-80 has a lighter turret and only 2 crew would traverse even faster than the T-50.
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It depends how well balanced the turret is, how the hand crank is geared and if there is crank wheel for two or only for one. There are certainly faster hand cranked turrets in game.
The Finnish desert camo! Really it’s just the base paint which has not worn away. Too bad there aren’t colour photos of it from earlier.
Early on in Finnish service seems to have remained unpainted or at best had something very fated on it. Could be just the original Soviet paint. 15.2.1942.
Photos of Finnish war time winter tank camos are rare. Spring 1942.
The blinding smoke grenade tests happened in 18.4.1944. This paint was there already in January.
This is from 50s or 60s when it was still in service. Still the same paint.
Finns have the 6-cylinder inline engine on display in the museum. In WT damage model we still have a miniature V-12. The tank also misses radio and ammo racks don’t seem to match.
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Now the Soviet T-50 goes 52km/h. The previous top speed was most likely mix-up from the Kirov prototype, which had a different gearbox. At 3rd gear it goes 35km/h, which is close to the claimed topspeed of Finnish T-50. Perhaps the 4th gear broke?
Maybe the soviet T-50 is gonna move down with a speed nerf.
As otherss have suggested, it is highly possible the 4th gear broke, so I have left the speed as 37.5 km/h to 63 km/h
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You can add this book into the sources. It doesn’t really have any extra details, but at leasts it confirms some of the basic stuff, like 14.5 ton weight.
The Finnish armoured vehicles 1918 - 1997, Esa Muikku & Jukka Purhonen, 2003, ISBN 952-5026-33-7
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Vehicle weight and speed corrected , additional poll options also added!
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Did you find some source mentioning the origins? Wouldn’t make any sense in Soviet tree if they never had one.
Gaijin sometimes puts a vehicle in multiple trees that are associated with the vehicle. Most likely wont go to USSR tree (as I voted Finnish tree myself), but the i made the poll option available if people want it in the USSR tree.
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I suppose they do sometimes, though in this case USSR has other good options for same BR to add: T-127 and T-50-2.
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Uparmored T-50 sounds like a fun trolling vehicle +1
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Personally, I’d like to see it added to both the Soviet and Finnish tech trees. With the Soviet t-50 simply getting an add-on armour upgrade for the regular t-50 and the Finnish variant having the extra armour added on by default.
Yeah except theres never been proof of the Soviets mounting armor so why would they get it? So please do explain your logic of why they need a vehicle they never mounted armor on?
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Easy logic, bro doesnt want to grind out another tech tree to play this vehicle!
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Not like it would take long since its like 2.7
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+1
This could be a great addition to flesh out the early Sweden/Finland tree tiers. Since the USSR one is 2.7 and this one is the same but with more armour, a BR of 3.0 is probably most appropriate. Would be challenging in an uptier, but still useable.
Edit: 2.7 is better.
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Eh i mean we have armored T34’s at the same BR as the non armored. The T50’s gun is basically useless against most 3.7 and 4.0 which would essentially kill it. Cant see any reason it cant be 2.7 considering the 3.0 lineup is nonexistent.
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I tested in in the hangar Protection Analysis on a number of 4.0 tanks at around 500m, and without using APCR it looked able to penetrate and kill all the targets in 1-3 shots. But there were some (i.e., Churchill Mk. III, Pz. IV Ausf. H) which would certainly not be fun to come up against and which needed an almost dead-on shot into a very small weak spot. And it can’t frontally penetrate the Excelsior assault tank at all.
So with that kind of possible player experience in mind, it’s definitely preferable for this to be the same BR as the USSR T-50. I had another whiz through the hangar, and everything else at 1.7 should be able to kill it frontally at 500m, at least in the turret (or cupola). The Italians will be the worst off, as they don’t have a good HEAT or derp launcher below 2.0, but it’s killable if they keep prodding it enough in the head.
The T-50 is not difficult to deal with since it only has 37mm at the less angled areas of the mantlet. And the Niki variation doesn’t fix the mantlet weak spot, so it will still retain the very weak 37mm.