It will relock when people don’t properly cut the throttle, or go afterburner again too early while still within the missile seeker’s view.
Python 3 is easy to 1 flare in most jets, even at short range. It has amazing kinematics, but without IRCCM its not on the same level of utility as a 9M
just a little advise for the ones who dont know but right now the sufa its also overperforming because it weights 8930 kg now, and its real weight its 10000kg 10 tons to be precise, soo… like i said before expect this jet to be even worst than it is right now.
Is there any evidence that can prove that the inner side pylon of f16i can carry 4 of the spice250 bombs?
I like derbys…at short ranges.
Most of the fox3 shoots that are not extreme HOBS jousts, the aim120 will perform better, not because of the range, but I think the derby/r-darter seems to have tracking/leading issues, and loses too much speed when the motor burns out and tries to maneuver.
The small explosive payload is also not very reliable.
Derby is probably the worst ARH missile you can have, when you have PL-12s that does basically the same job with extra range, or the R-77, which is also short range but more maneuverable and has a big warhead. Not to mention the mica.
Because every aircraft in game is currently limited to multiple decades beyond their standard armaments because of an artificial holdback? No R-74M because no AIM-9X, no AIM-9X because no R-74M, no Python 4 because no correctly modeled Magic II, no correctly modeled magic 2 because no correctly modeled AAM-3, no correctly modeled AAM-3 because no AIM-9X.
It’s a redundant circle that does nothing but stagnate. It’s why ARH missiles as a whole had to be held back until one massive dump into the game.
So far the derby has been the best fox3 I’ve used. Id take Derby over any 120 or mica
If you’d take the derby over a mica, there’s nothing to discuss here. You have no clue about the topic.
derby might be the worst fox 3 thats not a phoenix. Only thing it’s good at is short range, and that’s only compared to amraaam
Yeah. Derby is only more maneuverable than the aim120 and to a less extent, the AAM-4 at very short ranges
PL-12 is essentially on par in maneuverability, I think it can turn tighter than the derby off the rail but with a bit slower acceleration on hard turns, the rest is more maneuverable (R77 and mica)
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in my experience pl-12 is third most maneuverable, then aam4, then derby, darter then amraam a then c
Derby pulls tighter than the AAM-4 with stronger acceleration too, but the AAM-4 is a better missile overall.
The AAM-4 is what people would like the aim-120c to be
+1 for the 16I being ridiculously underarmed and overBR’d
I’m completely baffled at the decision to put it at 14.0. What does this jet get that makes it notably more powerful than 13.7s? Direct comparison would be to the US F16C and the F16C Barak both sitting at 13.7. Both of these jets are far from meta defining 13.7s, sitting somewhere towards the lower end of the power scale of 13.7s mostly because of the small quantity of armament they carry in today’s meta.
In comparison to these planes that are already on the weak end of 13.7, the F16I receives a MAWS (big whoop, so does the J11A and F-16AM at 13.7, as well as the M2k before the MICAs caused it to be uptiered), and gets it’s medium to close range ability GUTTED, with the only ARH option available being the AIM-120C5, a missile that is essentially a downgrade from the AIM-120A/B due to its abysmal pull off the rail and slower time to target until beyond 20+km. I’d genuinely rather take Derby’s. In terms of flight performance, the later F-16s have never been anything crazy, and being a heavy two-seater the Sufa isn’t either, so that’s certainly not a cause for it being raised to 14.0.
To fix this I have two proposed options. You could give it the option to mount I-Derby-ERs, with the seeker modeled the same as the MICA (as well as giving that upgrade to the 120C5 and R77-1 as part of a “second gen” of fox3s so to speak, but that’s a whole separate thread), or you could give it Python 4s, potentially with IRCCM tweaked to only be one of the two types, in the same way PL8B and AAM3 are currently nerfed. Despite the fact that either of these missile options are very strong, I remind you that the flight performance and quantity available are massive balancing factors and prevent the plane from becoming overly oppressive in a match. You’re still nowhere remotely close to the power level of a Typhoon or Rafale.
i support the option 2 give the historical Python-4 with just shut off IRCCM and done there is no reason to keep holding back this missile anymore with this missile would have a chance against more powerfull jets (Rafale-Typhoon) in close quarters