Also please note that 102% power in real life is not the same as 102% in War Thunder.
As an example:
The P-47M should have 2300HP at military aka 100% power and 2800HP at WEP.
Ingame it has 2100HP at 100% and 2800HP at WEP, unable to achieve 2300HP without ADI.
The D28 at 100% does have 2300HP…
You would need to know the exact weight and the thrust of the aircraft at any given time, which is pretty much impossible.
Mach 0.55. And I would like to see someone hit the time marks for acceleration.
It is as close as we can get in the game. Especially since everyone except for a couple Migs are missing true emergency power. So that is what we have.
?! Where did you get the Mach 0.55 from?
40K Feet is 12,192m… In my video the F-15 is exactly at 0.77M… at that altitude.
You are fundamentally misunderstanding what engine trim is. It is not a throttle setting or anything like that.
Engine trim is a setting in the engine control unit which slightly adjusts the various limiters in the engine to optimise the engine for either better engine life or more thrust. 102% is the highest thrust trim option available and it is what the in game aircraft is modelled as using.
So no; the correct way to test that graph is with 110% throttle in game. That is how you actually recreate maximum thrust with 102% engine trim.
I just re-did the test with the F15C.
Took 48 seconds to go from 250kcas to Mach 0.9 at 100% throttle.
Target time by the flight manual is 30 seconds.
Note, this was with the fully upgraded engines in game, the flight manual is with the pre-update engines.
Anyway you flip it. The aircraft is performing wrong.
Still doesn’t work as that was not the maximum thrust test.
100% throttle in game is “MILITARY THRUST” in real life. And according to your graph accelerating from 250 KCAS to Mach 0.9 should take 80 seconds.
What on earth are you even trying to test?
No. You are testing wrong.
Throttle needs to be at 110% full afterburner.
It doesn’t matter how many sources you find if you don’t actually understand the testing method.
102% engine trim =/= 100% War Thunder Thrust…
It IS a maximum thrust test…
You also seem to evade my question: Where did you see the Mach 0.54?!
Here… https://youtu.be/h7qwTmiUabY another test run, this time in reference mode, still with weaponry, still not perfect, but less harsh pulling up and as you can see the Aircraft keeps Mach 0.8 at 40K feet.
It also reaches the 39K feet from your earlier source in 1:06 seconds which is absolutely within margin of error for a plane that is nowhere near as light as the test plane…
Why are you so aggressively trying to misuse source material to make the F-15 ingame look bad? It’s nowhere near as bad and is within a 15% margin of error to a HEAVILY modified trial aircraft…
Your opening post implied the F-15 is missing “more than 50%” of it’s thrust, yet the ingame model pretty much matches the charts you posted…
It’s starting to feel a bit like that, but I am hopeful that it will click in a minute =)
He seems to be genuinely misinformed on the testing method so I see why he is so annoyed back at us, because both sides think they are right, as per usual.
I just hope the confusion get’s cleared and we get to see that either the F-15 is performing pretty close to real life or we find some areas that need some tweaking. But it’s nowhere near as drastic as OP implies…
Check his account. He’s not misinformed, he’s just like that.
Thanks, because the F-15 doesnt really need a buff anyway, its already ahead of the competition in almost every aspect
Respect
Did you know J7E should have 5000000 kg of thrust?
I read it on the google once.
+1 needed for balance
Perfect, I see so many people come on the forums to post bug reports and their often ignored,
I hope the f15 gets more thurst, but rn its probably the best top tier aircraft
Anyone can change under the right circumstances. Maybe his day will come as well. Let’s not get to personal in this matter and instead try to bring the topic closer to him so in the future he can make better estmimates on how these things work.
If we just bash people and kick them down, they won’t have a chance of getting up and contributing like the rest. Let’s help them and give them a chance.
It’s my first conversation with OP so I am still hoping for the best and that we all end up learning something in the end =)
In my experience with internet trolls, he’ll just move on to another topic and stop responding if it looks like he can’t win the argument. Not really a you win or he wins sorta deal just an either he wins or he leaves.
I know what you mean, but he doesn’t seem to fit standard internet troll behaviour. He seems to do spend time testing, looking for sources etc.
It’s just that he seems to misinterpret what he finds and is convinced he is right. Nothing wrong with that. But at some point you need to realize you MIGHT be wrong and once you can accept that… I see light at the end of the tunnel :D
I mean go right on ahead and try
