The platform, at the low rating, would be faster than every other tree with a heavy enough payload to be problematic, ending up at bases and clearing them notably before other trees even approached the target. That is, effectively, as though the bombs on other strike lines do not exist.
You are competing to reach the targets, and whilst that is a bad design principle, it is the one we got. Giving the yanks a platform that would make all others at the rating unable to progress is a pretty rubbish idea.
Until we get decompression that provides breathing room to other strike platforms, it would be incredibly unsporting to introduce a platform like this at the lower ratings. Providing a faster option at the current BRs would be annoying, but not crippling to the entire rating. This is about as much as you can hope for unless Gaijin decides to cave to American tears again.
Are you remotely aware that this is a game and balance is generally aimed to be kept relatively sound?
Let me use a more blunt word for you as evidently the concept evades you: It would be stupid to add a platform like this that would degrade everything else at the rating to effectively digital paperweights.
At present, generally bombers are pretty on par with each other and are balanced relatively well, however Americans still tend to come out on top regarding how low the rating is compared to functionality (Especially if we compare functionality to ground ratings, but I am focusing on air which there is less of a blatant handholding). By bringing the F111 to a lower rating than it already is, even whilst it lacks air to air capacity, it would still exceed all of the 9.3 bombers through to the 10.3 bombers, and the competition is so disparate that it is not even worth noting how much of an advantage it holds. It already has better functionality for strikes than some 11.7s.
Do you remotely think that it is sound, in the current climate, to put it at 10.3? If so, how can you justify it? Because from my perspective, it seems like it already is given favourable positioning compared to much of the competition, and a lower rating would not be remotely in line with a well reasoned balance decision, in the current climate. If you do, then your biases are evidently more important to you then well reasoned positions and yet again I must write you off as an interlocutor of dubious value.
they can put the unarmed one at 10.7 or 11.0 then man idk. it trades any offensive capacity for speed, thats all it has going for it really. what 11.7 attacker is worse than the current F-111F without a tradeoff anyways? there is no US bias in this
they could also strip it of any guided capacity since this would be an earlier F-111F like from early/mid 70’s, no pave tack or AGM-65. just runway to base as fast as an aardvark can go. dont know why we cant have fun cold war stuff like this, if Tornado should get BL755 then F-111 should be able to come in peak speed config
For base strikes, the Gr1 is slower, carries less payload, same 2 9L defensive capacity, cannon of worse function.
With the provision of decompression, sure. Unfortunately, you would still be introducing a platform which exceeds the speed of everything yet further than the F111 at 10.7, and making most other attackers glorified paperweights in the event we do not push for decompression as well as the introduction of an alternative F111. The current climate does not facilitate it unless you want to be a greedy prick, and shaft everyone else. This could also be addressed with other game modes. But we must work within the means we are provided, and currently it would be incredible folly to introduce a faster f111 at the ratings you suggest.
How does a dubiously effective cluster bomb for a slower strike platform with already limited payload compare to an F111 that is faster, and would make irrelevant the entire bracket you desire to send it to?
i mean base on gaijin criteria
export doesnt matter if the manual/document state it can use it
consider it a factor or balance
but F-111A should get something other than 9Bs
2 9Js and filler 9E would be decent tbh
Irrelevant to the current topic, as we are discussing striking targets, which are primarily bases as we rarely see maps with bridges anymore. Unless you mean to tell me that giving up all of the dumb bombs in favour of 3 PGMs that are generally ineffective against bases means it is a better strike platform?
Sure, assuming you ever need the amount of CMs either platform carries, it holds the advantage. But I sincerely doubt you will burn through 180 cms of the F111F. But in the event you do, sure, there’s 1 minor advantage.
so the fast mover F-111F should only be balanced on speed? maybe if it got the vulcan back it could be 11.0 where it wouldnt be as much of an issue especially since its enemies could intercept it when it is slower near the enemy base from dumping all its speed bc its an F-111, and lets be honest you are getting gapped by everything in an uptier from 10.0 to 11.0 regardless of the 111F early
filller 9E might be an issue, i think 2 9J at 10.7 on a brick like F-111A would be fine
btw what would you think of adding a really fast F-111F (thousands of pounds of equipemnt stripped that wouldnt really matter anyways, napalm, no 9L, no guided a2g) at like 11.0?
If what it brings to the table is exceptional speed with adequate payload to make the other aircraft at and around the rating redundant? Yes, it should be balanced off those factors. I am not referring to its capacity against the other team, but the detriment it causes the people regrettably paired with you in the event this is added.
As you’ve highlighted, it would not serve in a higher rating. Which is why you should be pushing for a decompression to allow it to be added, whilst not harming the rest of the playerbase who did not choose to play America and want to use strike platforms around the rating. It would hinder just about everyone for this to be added in the current climate. Both the people who want a fast f111 (it would have to be added in the 11.0 region and it would comfortably be intercepted) and those who want to use the 9.3-10.3 bombers (if Gaijin were foolish enough to add it at a lower rating).
Whilst it does need to slow down to drop the bombs, it still is to the target area well clear of the allies in buccaneers, yak 28s, Su 7s, etc. and can recover plenty enough speed to hit the target before those even have a hope of collecting one of the bases left over.
Can. Found it doesn’t overly matter in the grand scheme if you set it to periodic, better to use it when needed. But yes, you can do that.
even if they did decompress you would still use the same argument, since the fast 111F would be the fastest base bomber besides 4th gen multiroles, even then it could give them a run for their money on the deck. it sacrifices nearly everything by having no or limited offensive capacity and being a fat brick that is only usable in a straight line which is why if its 11.0 it should have at least the vulcan, maybe aim-9j if necessary at that BR
You know, if you bothered to comprehend what you read instead of moaning that someone dares have a sensible opinion that you don’t like, we’d have been done with this by now.
Regardless, the claim that I would use the same argument is nonsensical. There are bombers, at present, that cannot go down but should have a lower rating. Decompression facilitates this. Some bombers could be moved up with their current competition, which would further open up lower ratings for new additions or finer tuning of balance. As I highlighted earlier, this opens up ratings where your fastvark would be able to sit in a more comfortable position than it would in the current rating system, both for the platforms that would compete with it, and the platforms it would have to avoid. This should be endorsed by you if you want this platform, not argued against in favour of either shafting everyone else or making the platform less useful.
As I said above, I cannot give you an accurate rating I would put these things at, because I believe that there is not a correct rating in the current climate. Which has been the argument I’ve been making this entire time that you seem intent on ignoring. I would go further into this, but you really don’t seem inclined to hear any other position than “But muh fastvark” and arguing with those disinclined to productive outcomes is too tiresome to keep up with for very long.