F104 is going through very serious problems

just like teh F5C going to 10.7 for some unknown reason, i racked up nearly a 2.0kd with it at 11.0 not amazing but that means it still performs fine at 11.0

now weve got 12.7 F16s again, and its recompressed to hell from 11.0 up to 13.7

its a shambles.

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I recently decided to crew the German F-104G just to try out a non-soviet high tier aircraft, and it really isn’t very good. I’ll be primarily comparing it to the German MiG-21Bis-SAU.

They have roughly equivalent acceleration at lower speeds, but the MiG-21 is miles better once you start to reach mach 0.8, and it will consistently stay at its speed limit of 1350ish kmh, while the F-104 accelerates slower, but has a higher top speed.

Neither have good energy retention, but the Mig-21 makes up for it in it’s vastly superior manoeuvrability at all speeds. Overall, the Mig-21 will win in any dogfight due to its superior acceleration and manoeuvrability.

As for armament, the F-104 has a vastly superior cannon with better ballistics and ammo count, but it only has 4 Aim-9Js, and you don’t even get them stock. The Mig has 2 R-60MKs stock, and can carry up to 6 of them, making it have much more potential.

Overall the Mig-21bis is a vastly superior aircraft at the same BR. And personally, I think that the Mig-21MF at 10.7 has comparable flight performance and equivalent missiles at 10.7.

Really, there’s no excuse for the F-104s to be so highly BR’ed, because they lack so much stuff that other planes have. They have the energy retention of a Mig-21, while having none of the manoeuvrability of one. If it had some sort of all aspect missile, I’d be fine with the F-104G being 11.0, but it’s just stuck with an R-60 equivalent.

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The issue isnt that they are over BRd the issue is that most the shit around them is under brd

Realistically we need br about 15.0 to decompress properly, the f104s do not need to go down, 9.7 has enough nonsense to deal with not more f104s.

That is fair, and I agree.

Decompression would be a better solution to 90% of BR issues that air has.

As for the F-104G, my experience has gotten better as I work towards spading it, and I have figured out the strategy to playing it well.

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I never judge a platform until its spaded

Decompression would solve a plethora of issues along side some new game.modes