Then it makes no sense to over BR the F18C since it will not be on par with the current 14.0 unless the F18 is added in such a manner that it somehow out performs the F15E, which is very unlikely
It would be on-par. Just cause the F-18C is slightly slower in top speed doesn’t mean it’s not 14.0 capable. There’s more than just speed in the BVR/furball management meta.
yes, the F-15E and EFT are far better AMRAAM platforms in nearly every way compared to an F/A-18C.
its slow, only good at low speed, and has nothing special about it regarding sensors and defensive ability
Unless you have engine thrust data for the GE-F404 / F-414 just lying around, the most similar conditions we have is Bench data.
And anyway SEP values would be a better measure, and where the F/A-18 struggles against the contemporary F-15 / -16
According to?
No it doesn’t, that’s the entire point.
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I have no idea what Alvis is trying to get at. The F15E has engines that are on steroids and the F18 does not. The F18 is a glorified missile carrier with its only gimmick being that it carries 2 more missiles than my F15E speed and positioning are key. I will always be able to have a better position and defensive form before an F18 will get an equal chance.
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Then where does the 14,000 pounds come from?
Cause empty weight is 23,000 pounds, not 37.
@Pheonix_RX01
Is the F-104S superior to the Kurnass/F-4E? Same loadouts, just the F-104S is as faster over the F-4E as F-15E is over F-15C.
Also @quartas121
Typhoon, F-15E, and F-15C all share time to climb within a few seconds of each other.
Time to climb isn’t all lethality.
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F18 will be food for my F15E, speed is a valuable factor and we both have pretty close AOA, only difference is i can point my nose faster and keep my defense up. If i can keep my energy better than a overweight aircraft i win. The F18 will not have the performance to match me in a fight. Maybe if it sacrifices 4 or so of its missiles it might get nose a bit better but then i still gain energy back faster. The F18 will not be a scary opponent if they are the same BR because of 2 missiles. Even a Gripen C will perform better than an F18C in a 1v1 engagement. Being able to defend and force your enemy into a defensive state is s huge factor. Again the F18 is a gimmick jet compared to the stuff we already have. Especially when it will have to defend against a rafale which in close quarters the MICA are easily some of the hardest missiles to defeat.
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Maximum speed is useful for exactly 2 minutes at the beginning of the match and escaping [which the F-15E would need to do against F-18C].
Energy retention matters far more than top speed, which is why the other day when an F-15E was the last enemy player, all he could do was flee against F-16A, Gripen, and Su-27SM all of which are superior airframes for the context of air RB.
Being an F-104S is a cool gimmick, but it wears off quickly when your airframe equal is a Mig-29SMT.
With all do respect that F15E player either failed his team or his team failed him. Now if he didn’t have missiles or did is a different story, without the details this story is entirely irrelevant. F16 has better mobility but does not have equal arms or climb to that of my F15E. With this logic the F18 should be the same BR as the F16C
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No, with that rationale the F-18C is equal BR to the F-15C/E [the 15C is chronically under-BR’d despite literally being identical to F-15E trading a minor acceleration decrease for substantially more energy retention].
People under estimate the F-18C.
People under estimated the Gripen because it’s not as fast as an F-16 and in reality, despite Gripen being notably slower, it performs identically if not better in-practice cause War Thunder and air combat in general was never about raw speed.
Just like how F-104C is the worst of the 9.3s despite being the fastest.
Rafale despite being worse than F-15E and F-15C in all but dogfight performance and radar is doing quite well itself.
The gripen is a mid fighter, for the current meta it can’t compete with a somewhat competent player. In close range i can end a gripen by forcing them to climb with me bleeding them, a gripen can’t turn newrly as hard as most other notable dog fighters which means it struggles against those who have better engines and AOA, gripens run on barrowed energy which keeps them constantly fast but unable to follow me if i climb while turning.
Also it would be dumb to put both the F15C and the E to the same BR when the C is worse than the E. Again this is a compression issue and my logic for the F18C to be 13.7 is based on current positions of aircraft. Putting it at 14.0 would make it the worst 14.0 bar none
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I see your post is extending the goalposts to Typhoon after your previous post was disproved about raw speed mattering outside the start of the match.
The F-15C is identical to the E, literally the same weapons and radar, the exclusive difference is Typhoon and F-15C accelerate marginally slower while having superior energy retention.
The fact your post argues F-15E/C would be the worst 14.0s is hilarious.
but how big is difference between that and F-18C?
I said the F18C would be the worst, the F15E is easily 2nd place or 3rd for the current meta as EFT’s radar is insanely annoying to use given it seems to be unfinished. The fact you couldn’t even bother to read what i said properly completely derailes your own post.
Im going to add this because you have no idea what you’re apparently doing in Air so dont bother pinging me because its clear you want to have an opinion on something you don’t know.
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Time will tell, I don’t take stock into full internal fuel. Cause full internal fuel of F-18C is a handicap in F-18C’s direction as that’s more fuel than full internal of F-16, both F-15s, etc.
F-18C should easily lose mach 1.5, but in the primary meta of stay low until necessary to climb to a target that was reckless, time to 10,000 matters a tad more which is why it’s a datapoint on the spreadsheet.
The last time I tested was F-16C vs F-18C in DCS, and sadly a tool like WTRTI for consistent climbing doesn’t exist for that software, so the test needs to be done in WT finally.
F-18C can only get faster cause I copied my F-16C WT test in DCS, but was running entirely blind for the F-18C.
People under-estimated Gripen, Rafale, Su-34, and so on… [Su-34 is trash at energy retention though.]
People under-estimating F-18C will be in for the same rude awakening that those dying to Gripen, Su-34, and Rafale faced.
@Pheonix_RX01
Well, I hope you learn top BR aircraft at some point. It’s sad that you posted without knowing, but I can’t control what you do.
I have all ten tech trees completed and flew against every aircraft, learned from Defyn years prior, and have a performance well above what I care about.
Sure bud lol
ok. but with how slow F-18C is, especially with all 10 amraam, i just dont see it being that good of a AMRAAM carrier. sure, F-15E carry 2 less, but all that speed makes the ones it launches have more energy.
i just dont see what about F/A-18C is so amazing it should be 14.0
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I am aware. I’ll be running multiple AAM loadouts with F-18C like I do F-14 and F-15JM.
I’ll be running a 4, 8, and max AAM loadout with F-18C. If Gaijin’s particularly friendly then a 6 AAM loadout could be put on the spreadsheet as well.
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ok, but if you reduce the number of AAM, you are still probably going slower than an F-15E carrying all 8. so at that point the one thing you have going for you dissapears
Here’s a fact: Rafale is F-16C speeds with full int fuel, it’s 14.0 yet no one has complained about it being over-BR’d.
And F-18C performs at least as well as Rafale if not better, just with a mechanical radar and no supercruise.