A small sacrifice for the entire BR range.
So just like F-5C.
Mig-21S has identical sustained to F-5C BTW.
You’re nuts if you think that statement is remotely acceptable for gameplay and balance
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That is completely wrong.
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It is not.
It creates a really stupid dichotomy where a plane is only viable in a full down-tier and then ruins the matchmaker when it gets a full down-tier.
Mig-21S turn time: 35 sec
F-5C turn time: 27 sec
It’s correct. WTRTI uses localhost which tells degrees per second.
@Necronomica
On full fuel at ideal speeds.*
Statcards are liars.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/126rvgs9iRGxtL9DsbI0SSDMHXMr3uDf-hSeFkZVvk1Y/htmlview
at tests where both planes can fly the F-5C sustaines at worst still 0.5deg/s better than Mig-21S at its best.
The entire BR range isn’t acceptable for gameplay or balance while they can face 9.7 vehicles, one more under BR’d vehicle isn’t going to change that BR range, it will help 10.3 which at least currently can somewhat function.
Man I could never expect to see this in Air RB
And once again, unlike the F-5C, the T-2 is a BRICK.
Only after you have burnt all your energy. In the first few turns you can very much get inside a F-5 in my experience.
F4C told me a thing :
Why people buy F5C.
And why it has CM.
It’s a renamed F-5A which could use CM’s.
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Do it then place it at 9.7 since it’s where it’s brute performance is equal to.
what puzzles me so much is that the f-5c is in all ways the zero of 10.3 but people keep getting mad at it, and the f-5e is the n1k2j for that matter and these two have the most underwhelming kit of their BR as far as armament goes. But people keep turn fighting them at medium high speeds. I found it to be excruciatingly bad on high altitude maps like the rocky pillars, afghanistan and the pyrenees where the air on the deck is thinner making it lose as much speed as any other delta wing that is not a mig21smt with the flare pod. The reason why the f-5’s are good is the same why the n1k2j and the zero would still be good even if you changed their 20mm for four 50 cals. I can count more times that I’ve got a “hit” or a “critical hit” on mig21s and drakens that ended up returning back to repair or fly well enough to kill me more times than I killed people.
The F-5C is actually quite easy to counter as unless you’re a harrier (and yet still you can) you’re going to be at higher energy state than it nearly every time. People just laugh at you if you die to a zero, but they keep get close to it then do a hard 180 giving it their six and dying to the most pitiful 20mm’s in game then embrace the self-biting hake fallacy of “f-5s are OP” when all you have to do is to fly diagonally and return back when they’re busy dogfighting. If I’ve managed to do it in Su-25s then everyone could do it in any afterburning jet able to go mach 1.05 plus on the deck. It is a great dogfighter, yes, sure, but it fulfills the meta because people play it’s games. Even if you’re in a mig21 and alone all you need to do is force diagonal approaches on the f-5c from above to make it bleed speed in the vertical, then go up and just force a downward spiral if you fail to shoot while the top of it’s loop is the bottom of yours.
And even despite how much of a good dogfighter it is, the mig23s can still turn inside you with their wings completely folded back; all deltas turn inside you at most speeds and literally every subsonic can deal with you if you don’t stick to over mach 1. A zero that can’t zero. By the way, everything that is not a phantom can pretty much survive a good barrage of m39 to the core.
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They should fix the overperforming flight models then and the kit will match.
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In what sense does it overperform? it has the second worst missiles of the BR (the worst ones are on the Aardvark), it has less thrust weight ratio than a MiG17 and the peak is hard to keep, you always have to trade maneuverability for energy retention and vice versa. People talk about the f-5c as if it was something like a release day gripen. Not to mention that any 10.7 can easily outdogfight the f-5c if you know how to not get on a 1000kmh rate fight… speeds at which you can simply not engage and fly away.
If it’s a 1v1 however, yeah it’s hard. But 10.3 and beyond is not about 1v1, it’s about who 's fastest and can kill people quicker without engaging anyone, and for the matter, the mig21s and the drakens are the best at it.
The flight model overperforms according to the manuals performance data in sustained turn rate, radius, and G load
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well, so did the MiG23M family and it’s been 4 years since you remained quiet about it 😉or did you point it out like with the f-5e and f-5c and saying the thing of “f-5e ingame outperforms the f20 irl”?