F-5C Flares need to be removed. It is FICTIONAL

It’s not causing more compression when there are already comparable, if not better, aircraft there.

Except it totally would??

It’d be like adding another AIM-9L slugger to 10.3 that constantly faces jets w/o flares. Yes it adds compression. What the hell is an F-86F-25 supposed to do against an F-5C? How about a MiG-15Bis or MiG-17?
Yes, it would be “Balanced” at 9.7, but it would absolutely add yet another threat that subsonic Korean era jets can’t do jack against.

Not to mention that pushing it to 9.7 just to remove ONE ahistoric system would also mean moving down to rank VI again, and that would DEFINITELY cause some very angry players who bought it when it was rank VII.

A bit less? Bruh T-2 has garbage sustain. It is like a mig-21

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A small sacrifice for the entire BR range.

So just like F-5C.
Mig-21S has identical sustained to F-5C BTW.

You’re nuts if you think that statement is remotely acceptable for gameplay and balance

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That is completely wrong.

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It is not.

It creates a really stupid dichotomy where a plane is only viable in a full down-tier and then ruins the matchmaker when it gets a full down-tier.

Mig-21S turn time: 35 sec
F-5C turn time: 27 sec

It’s correct. WTRTI uses localhost which tells degrees per second.

@Necronomica
On full fuel at ideal speeds.*
Statcards are liars.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/126rvgs9iRGxtL9DsbI0SSDMHXMr3uDf-hSeFkZVvk1Y/htmlview

at tests where both planes can fly the F-5C sustaines at worst still 0.5deg/s better than Mig-21S at its best.

The entire BR range isn’t acceptable for gameplay or balance while they can face 9.7 vehicles, one more under BR’d vehicle isn’t going to change that BR range, it will help 10.3 which at least currently can somewhat function.

Man I could never expect to see this in Air RB

And once again, unlike the F-5C, the T-2 is a BRICK.

Only after you have burnt all your energy. In the first few turns you can very much get inside a F-5 in my experience.

F4C told me a thing :
Why people buy F5C.
And why it has CM.

It’s a renamed F-5A which could use CM’s.

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Do it then place it at 9.7 since it’s where it’s brute performance is equal to.

what puzzles me so much is that the f-5c is in all ways the zero of 10.3 but people keep getting mad at it, and the f-5e is the n1k2j for that matter and these two have the most underwhelming kit of their BR as far as armament goes. But people keep turn fighting them at medium high speeds. I found it to be excruciatingly bad on high altitude maps like the rocky pillars, afghanistan and the pyrenees where the air on the deck is thinner making it lose as much speed as any other delta wing that is not a mig21smt with the flare pod. The reason why the f-5’s are good is the same why the n1k2j and the zero would still be good even if you changed their 20mm for four 50 cals. I can count more times that I’ve got a “hit” or a “critical hit” on mig21s and drakens that ended up returning back to repair or fly well enough to kill me more times than I killed people.

The F-5C is actually quite easy to counter as unless you’re a harrier (and yet still you can) you’re going to be at higher energy state than it nearly every time. People just laugh at you if you die to a zero, but they keep get close to it then do a hard 180 giving it their six and dying to the most pitiful 20mm’s in game then embrace the self-biting hake fallacy of “f-5s are OP” when all you have to do is to fly diagonally and return back when they’re busy dogfighting. If I’ve managed to do it in Su-25s then everyone could do it in any afterburning jet able to go mach 1.05 plus on the deck. It is a great dogfighter, yes, sure, but it fulfills the meta because people play it’s games. Even if you’re in a mig21 and alone all you need to do is force diagonal approaches on the f-5c from above to make it bleed speed in the vertical, then go up and just force a downward spiral if you fail to shoot while the top of it’s loop is the bottom of yours.

And even despite how much of a good dogfighter it is, the mig23s can still turn inside you with their wings completely folded back; all deltas turn inside you at most speeds and literally every subsonic can deal with you if you don’t stick to over mach 1. A zero that can’t zero. By the way, everything that is not a phantom can pretty much survive a good barrage of m39 to the core.

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They should fix the overperforming flight models then and the kit will match.

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