I don’t play those BRs anymore due to the ridicules amount of uptiers to 12.0 so forgive me for not knowing the best BR but at least 11.0 or 11.3 in its current state
11.7 as is
Or
12.0 with 9Ls
Would be reasonable. But anything else is pushing it. 11.7 with current fit would be asking for quite a bit and I think is generally accepted it would be fine. But buffs and a BR drop. Not a chance
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Even 11.7, it doesn’t have: the better missiles; the extra flares (90 total instead of 60); no VTAS; weaker engines and the worse F4J flight model which makes it worse than the other F4s, even the F4EJ is better. Yes the EJ has worse missles and similar performance but it has an internal gun, better bombs and rockets and a similar quility radar
F4J(UK) imo, roughly = the performance of the Mig-23MLD.
4x Skyflash DFs vs 2x R-24Rs are about equal and the F-4 has the better BVR performance. Mig-23MLD has the 4x shorter ranged but all-aspect R-60Ms to compliment that and the better WVR performance.
Overall, making them about equal.
F-4J(UK) compared to the US F-4J for example is also pretty close, with the F-4J just having the better A2G (Napalm) and the better SARH missiles and HMS. But still lacking the agile eagle, this is enough to warrant it being 12.0 and slightly above the UK equivalent.
Sorry, sir, but it seems you are cherrypicking the good points of other phantoms.
F-4J(UK) sucks.
I am double sure about it.
But it isn’t 11.0-11.3 material like F-4EJ.
Why is the Sea Harrier FRS.1 11.0 then, it is always against the F4S, MiG 23ML/A/D which are better in most ways
The F-4S is 12.0
Mig-23ML/MLA/MLD are 11.7
Sea Harrier FRS1 is 11.0.
So it has a lower BR that them by quite a margin.
but is clearly superior to the FRS1e or the other sub-sonic ground attack aircraft with all-aspect IRs between 10.3 and 11.0.
It is correctly placed and im not sure how its relevant to the F4J(UK)
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The compression and lack of care
The problem of SHAR doesn’t have any connection with the F-4J(UK) problem.
I know it sucks that both SHar shares the same or higher BR than J-7D with PL-5B
But further discussion about shar on JUnK topic is off-topic.
So can I ask you to stop that, kindly?
F4J players perform slightly better in kill statistics and F4J UK better in winrate than UK F4j.
That’s just because most Britain/minor nation players tend to be more experienced and are able to make lemonade from a lemon.
Just look at the Tornado Gr1 vs Tornado WTD61.
Tornado Gr1 has weaker engines and is a higher BR and yet according to gaijin, maintains better performance
If you also look at Kills per Spawn and Kills per Death, the F4J is higher. So the winrates aren’t the main thing you should be pointing out
yeh i had a brainfart moment, i corrected myself
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