F-15 Discussion

how? Range? It is irrelevant in terms of current maps. Everything else is about the same

In the USAF the C-model as it is right now could not perform any air-to-ground missions. Could it carry them? I’m sure it could. Could it put them to use? Currently, no. There’d be a lot of mission related upgrades that would have to enable it to carry and take out strike missions - USAF personnel (anonymous)

it was made with comparability in mind yes but the pilots and the air force never intended to use them. only for training missions until the E was made.

so in other words, it can and did equip them in training. just not used for missions. so it can be implemented.

You are not the person to tell me what the C-models have/have not done or can/ can not do. Unless your name is currently on side of one, or has been in the past your word is worth peanuts to me.

The F-15s have always been compatible with dumb and self guided A2G ordinance, that’s all that is needed for it to be available in game, the same as how say the Barak II never flew with AIM-7s but for the sake of balance it can use them in game.

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Is not classified, but it is SAC manual so as DracoMindC said in the other F-15 thread it uses uninstalled thrust

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Whats the IAS limits for sea level and the next 2km above it? i noticed level flight reaching 1250 kmph was pretty quick but drops off severely from 1220 to barely a crawl after 1250.

What’s up with the F-15’s exhaust nozzles? They’re completely different from the real model. Am I missing something here (later variant maybe)?

Nonetheless very happy to see it in game of course. Favorite plane of my childhood years.

The models in game currently have the turkey feathers still attached. USAF ended up removing them due to maintenance reasons.

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True, from the datamine the only time the Su-27’s radar doesn’t have enough range is if the Su-27 just left the airfield and the person they’re trying to lock left the opposite airfield

Can anyone calculate channel loss for jet engines? I am not sure I got it right but if so it will be really sad.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1BFcXcn7CiRC
“The remaining sources indicate the static thrust of the engine without taking into account channel loss”
I tried to calculate that loss to confirm or disprove what mod said and it seems that ratio is completely random.
I will do example on afterburner thrusts to make it more compact

F-16aj in game have:

  • 9000 kgf afterburner thrust

From what I found “static” as mods say it thrust is 23,770 lbf which is converted in

  • 10781.8 kgf

If I am not completely retarded and got math right we get 0.8348 ratio of air intake efficiency

F-15j have in game:

  • 8510 kgf

And static is 23,930 lbf which is converted into

  • 10854 kgf

F-15 have ratio of 0.7840 which I think is weird because f-15 have bigger air intakes

While su-27 stock have ratio of 0.92

Can anyone please say I am just getting crazy and gaijin is not doing shenanigans behind the scene and prove it please?

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For some reason, it looks like the Su-27, F-15A, and F-16AJ have the exact same base thrust value in game, but at altitude the Su-27 gets a max thrust value of 25000 compared to only 18000 in the F-15A and F-16AJ.

When afterburning the Su-27 also gets more thrust with a thrust multiplier of 1.15 and the F-15A and F-16AJ only a 1.1 multiplier.

The Su-27 also somehow has a more efficient engine while generating more thrust both generally and while afterburning, with a rate of fuel consumption of 0.88 both when on full throttle and afterburning (and the F-15A and F-16AJ have to deal with an increase from 0.74 to 1.06 when going from full throttle to afterburning).

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Last time, fuel consumptions where wrong on the f-16c because WTRTI was pulling data from wrong FM, so if you are using it, better wait for live update

is the f15 limited to mach 2.3 irl? in the devblog it says 2.3 instead of 2.5, which iirc is its top speed at high alt.

No need to calculate: https://web.archive.org/web/20221007030544/http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-16A_Block_15_Falcon_SAC_-_March_1984.pdf
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Wow thanks will read when have time

Can you post for su-27 and f-15 too please?

Wait a minute, this document is about different engine and none of the numbers match.
F-16 in WT have F100-PW-220, not F100-PW-200.
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Am I missing something?

Not at first. They had an adf but before the C the block 10s wore the best and yes the US got the block 10 with the A but no bvr capabilities. So the mlu and AJ wore the best f16s as the AJ fired aim7fs not the garbage Ms and the mlu got tws. So other countries got the better f16 starting off untill we got the f16C. But in a rate fight an A/block10 is still going to beat you

There is only one C in the game and thats the F15J

The isreal and US f15s are A misp models so a step between A and C