Notch the Phoenix without chaff? lol it can find you even behind solid cover
Exscuse me, do anyone know how the following reply can answer all the arguments I made in this report (Community Bug Reporting System) regarding “Incorrect HPRF minimum range for the F-14 radars” and marked the [report] as “not a bug”?
“Bug Reporting Manager #2:
AN/AWG-9 is not an FMCW radar.
AN/AWG-9 uses single antenna to transmit and receive.
FMCW radars use two separate antennas to transmit and receive at the same time.
For AN/APG-63 and N-019/001 radars it is known that target range and speed are estimated in search mode by matching filters where target return appear between speed measuring phase and two ranging phases. Filter band width determines minimal values and resolution for range and speed.”
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Because in the pure Fleet Defense Fighter role that the Navy was actually trying to fill, the F-111B was the superior aircraft. It could takeoff and land with a full load of 6 AIM-54s, which was the actual Navy requirement, the F-14 couldn’t do. It has a side by side cockpit with the escape capsule which the Navy wanted. It had superior top speed and climb, both of which directly improve its primary mission set effectiveness. They both carry the same radar and FCS which means any improvements the F-14 has in that regard, it only received because it came later and would have made their way into the production F-111B.
You can argue the F-14 was the aircraft the Navy actually needed, but per there own specifications for the mission set they actually wanted it to fill, the F-111B was the superior aircraft.
Well, the F-14 can land with 6 Phoenixes, they just didn’t do it frequently. And there’s no possible way a much larger and heavier airframe is going to outrun an F-14 using the same engines. That’s just physically impossible.
So, the F-14 is just as fast as the F-111B, has the same 6 Phoenix missiles + 2 Sidewinders and an internal gun, can land with the required 6 Phoenix loadout, and can be used as an actual fighter and not just a missile bus… but the F-111B is better anyway because…?
Am I getting that right? What a very strange idea.
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Last I checked the SOP was they were to drop 2 in the ocean if launched with 6 and didn’t spend any, due to being below safe fuel levels to attempt carrier landings with 6 and on correct weight.
Do you know what drag is?
Because while it could land with 6, it is a lot harder to do, and much cheaper to just dump the missiles.
I was going to ask you the same thing.
The speed of the airframe is more of an engine limitation than an airframe one provided the slats are retained on the front for stability above mach 2.
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Are you taking that top speed from Wikipedia?
I just checked the source for it. It says Mach 2.5 as the structural maximum speed, not as its actual top attainable speed in level flight.
There’s no possible way the F-111B could surpass the F-14 both using TF-30s. Not surprising considering that the TF-30 was considered insufficient for the aircraft.
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The recent Kish Island airshow event included Iranian F-14 Tomcats.
Beautiful to see the F-14 still in the air after all these years.
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No way I have that one in game lol
They did a good job modelling it ngl
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I still remember the VF-154 Black Knights F-14As flys in my hometown.
Good days.
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Comparison between the F-14A and F-15C, I was surprised that the F-14 pilot says the max AoA of the Tomcat is 25 AoA - time past 38:00
From the 31st minute the comparison between the F-14 and the F-15 starts, very interesting.
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XEF-142 is the designation on this Grumman scale model for the F-14 AEW / AWACS.
Though it might just be an in-house joke.
Photo credit Cradle of Aviation Museum, New York
The three seat F-14 you posted is a photoshop and the SR-71 just has an E-3 Sentry AWACS behind it.
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Former USAF pilots and one of the few people who flew both F-15C and F-14A (through an exchange program) talking about how AWG-9 and Phoenix combination was much harder to notch than F-15C’s radar and AMRAAM combination, and how the notching tactics that they had learned to use in the F-15C vs F-15C combat was not effective in F-14A vs F-14A fights, as AWG-9 was able to maintain the lock and guide in the Phoenix.
From 57:35
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Interesting, I’ve also seen interviews where F-15 pilots (from Kadena AB) have talked about how the F-14 AWG-9 and Phoenix missiles are pretty easy to beat if you know how to do it.
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Can these be used as sources at all?
A guy who flew and practiced air to air combat with both F-15C and F-14A is pretty much as an objective of a source as you can get, barring a scientific study doing a practical comparison of both radars’ performance.
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They don’t trust the F-5’s natops why would they trust a pilots account?
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Subjectively, yes, but Kadena’s not lying. Techniques get upgraded, F-15Cs change, tactics and experience vary.
But it’s a good thing the AWG-9 wasn’t always just for “beauty”, as I often read from Eagle pilots when they talk about the F-14 Turkey.
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IRL and in the game AWG-9 and AIM-54 have obvious advantages over F-15C and AIM-120A:
- AWG-9 can operate with LPRF, which can help against notching in some look-down cases. AN/APG-63 PSP and later versions have no LPRF waveform.
- Manual radar management by WSO (IRL only)
- Narrower beam width of AIM-54 antenna (because of its larger diameter) makes notch sectors narrower in the same conditions.
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