Oh oh oh oh oh that explains it, idk why he worded it that way 🤷♂️
But yeah idk about how aware you can be with this
Is this bait?? The Aim120 is perfectly capable of hitting targets at even 40km when above just 3000m/10k feets at mach 0.9 - 1. I regularly use the R-27R at 15km-20km and you’re telling me the aim-120 can’t? Are you launching them from the harrier??
I think you might call that an exaggeration.
I get consistent 72km kills with fakour90
That’s not how this felt, or is going at all… but go off
Idk it’s some random 7 word response with some weird claim, the window in which you a your enemies are 70km plus on most maps is pretty small. I almost never set up my radar until I’m within 60km anyways because that’s normal climbing height
I am gonna feed you screenshots this week
Can’t wait, send it in the PMs so you don’t derail the topic
The AIM-54 is perfectly capable of hitting targets out to 125km, guess what, its not normally the case.
Against your average lawnmower with actual spatial awareness, I would love to see you somehow get a 40km shot or a 15-20km shot with a R-27R on them.
do me one and record this(first and only battle of the F-14 BTW)
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/250213984233646054?public_key=UOWlwLc8M1wOUKRPSEy9
this is highly possible and broken, as an Iranian I like gaijin to give it R73 and raise it to 13.0
admittedly, the AIM-120B has very poor turn capability, and its almost definitely underperforming - which has been reported. It should be more lethal at far ranges, but saying it doesnt hit at 15km is silly.
Another bug report of F-14B(also, F-16C/Ds)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/nWg2F9pymeEG
They need to rework F110 engine turkey feathers.
Since AIM-7 has no topic of its own on the new forum:
Bug report about changing the warhead of AIM-7M to the improved WAU-17 from the current WAU-10:
AIM-7F/M warhead and diameter:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/s9NTFiWXA3ls
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You missed a very critical feature of the WAU-17/B warhead. The warhead is a controlled fragmentation warhead (ie: directional warhead) which should have improved performance over warheads of equal explosive filler. Afaik, the approximate claimed improvement for 1st gen directional warheads is 20-30% increase in “effectiveness”, though i’ll need to dig around for a specific source on that.
As mentioned, the WDU-29/B on the AIM-54C is also directional, which afaik has never been bug reported either.
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I don’t think “controlled fragmentation” means aimable warhead.
I’m almost sure it does, but I guess you have an argument as its not explicitly stated in the patent, The patent does look incredibly similar to the warhead detailed below:
This is generally stated as the reason the AIM-54C went from the CR warhead to the “controlled fragmentation” warhead, and is where the “20-30% improved “effectiveness”” (in this case fragment velocity) claim comes from.
Of particular interest above, “a fixed weight warhead system can devote more relative weight for the case and less for the explosive and project more fragment mass in the direction of the target at a velocity equal to that produced by an axially initiated warhead” Which happens to also be what appears to have happened with the AIM-54C and its WDU-29/B having less filler material compared to the AIM-54A’s Mk82 CR warhead.
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AIM-54C’s warhead has both more total mass and more filler mass, though currently both get fictional warheads in the game:
AIM-54A wrong explosive mass:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/g5POiwiwjKaB
AIm-54C wrong explosive mass:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/whO98q3Df7pA
AIM-54C (with WAU-21/B which I think is the best warhead it can get) should have a 186 lb warhead with 70.11 lb of filler, while AIM-54A with Mk 82 has a 133.5 lb warhead with 58 lb of filler.
My mistake on that point. Everything else still seems to point towards “Controlled fragmentation warheads” being those detailed above though.
What you are talking about is called “Aimable Warhead”.
“Controlled Fragmentation” is just a fancy name for pre-cut grooves (rather than fill a pipe with explosives and wish for the best, i.e. “Natural Fragmentation”):
Spoiler
Tactical Missile Warheads J. Carleone 1993 Volume 155 Progress in Astronautics & Aeronautics
I’ve already posted the aimable warheads section here: