What he is saying is nonsense that applied only to the earliest blocks of the F-14 prior to the proper fitment of the GE engines over the TF-30. These issues were resolved before the aircraft was even fielded the AIM-7F.
@HauptmannPingu Feel free to share the cover of the document you’re referencing or remove it without proof it’s permissible for posting.
Yeah. Also the F-14As made up the majority of the fleet even by the time they were retired. 86 F-14Bs were built or converted, and 37 F-14Ds were built as well. Out of 712 total.
What about what the user said above?
There were over 15 iterations of the TF30 prior to them getting it correct on the F-111 including total redesign of the air intake on that aircraft… multiple times… To imply that it is better than the F-14 when the models on the F-14 corrected these aforementioned issues with just a few smaller modifications is absurd.
The TF30-P-412A was first installed, suffered some issues and was subsequently replaced by the TF30-P-414 in 1977. The first four years were mired by troubles and resulted in a modification to the TF30 that replaced the entire first stage, modified the compressor rotor blades, and strengthened the fan case to improve containment. You can view some of the engine-specific issues here (they were also present in the F-111’s). The only issue related to the F-14 are the stalls which were greatly mitigated by the implementation of the -414 model starting in '77.
So yes, after the GE engines started to be installed (1981), the TF30-P-414A also began installation. I’ll let this section of the document speak for itself;
This part of my statement was partially false as I had assumed the -414 implemented in 1977 was the -414A upgrade and I was mistaken. The AIM-7F saw fleet service only after 1977 and the -414A model was introduced starting in October 1982.
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We can look at the problems that were definitively resolved for the aircraft or the subjective limitations imposed on paper - the F-14 was a vastly superior aircraft and to be honest I’d take the F-14 over the F-111 any day… because who wants an aircraft that can go fast but stalls the second you try to pull 10-15 degrees AoA? You’d be incapable of evading ANY modern ordnance with that pig. Oink. Not without killing your engines, at least. I guess it’s a countermeasure against the R-27ET - it just automatically stalls your engine upon harsh maneuver.
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You just CANNOT do this in an F-111. It will never happen. Notice the engines aren’t exploding or stalling out. F-111 never got these improved variants of the TF-30.
The F-14 Tomcat is built on the lessons learned from the F-111 and improves on it in almost every area possible. Having lived under a microscope it’s entire life it may just be lost on people the engineering marvel it was for America’s first teen series aircraft to also have had the best aerodynamic scheme, radar, missile complex, and overall performance. Nothing else in the world touched it. Scrutinizing it against the aircraft that came after it makes sense - after all they learned from the mistakes they made. Scrutinizing it against an airframe it replaced … that’s absurdity in its’ finest.
Now, to put to rest the absurdity of comparing the F-111 to bed I would remind you also that the F-111 was no angel. It has far more dirty laundry than the F-14 could ever muster. Engines, intakes, structural, radar, reliability, the F-111A couldn’t even meet the basic requirements it was designed for to begin with. It outperformed every attacker / bomber ever made to that point on paper, but that does not mean it was stellar. I’ve avoided going into these issues because this is after all the F-14 thread.
it’s literally just a 1960s missile with a 1950s motor. bro is trying to make it sound like it’s an MBDA Meteor or an AIM-120D
The Fakour-90 literally uses a digital processor (if I can recall correctly) and most likely a entirely new modern radar, it’s definitely not a regular 1960s missile lmao. Always overestimate your foe, prepare for the worse I like to say.
It has copied characteristics in-game to the Phoenix-A because there is little information available, not because that’s actually how it is.
I’m talking about in a real life sense, not in-game. The Fakour-90/B is a more than capable missile which definitely deserves the title as the successor of the Phoenix missile.
In this situation this makes you look more biased than reasonable.
trust me they were are all just premium zombers who don’t take evasive actions
No, I’ve died to fakours before despite being decent about precautions. They’re just extremely strong for the BR.
can you explain what happened? i tested the fakours today with a friend and it always loses track or gets notched
Nothing has happened? They have always been very powerful. The issue is sometimes you get as little as 5 seconds of RWR warning.
only 5 seconds? but the ARH seeker activates and should start giving rwr warning at 16km away. according to my calculations, if you are flying head-on at 1000km/h. the missile needs to fly at 10,520 km/h or mach 8.52 to reach you in 5 seconds which is far higher than the fakour’s top speed.
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only 5 seconds? but the ARH seeker activates and should start giving rwr warning at 16km away.
you’re assuming my RWR can see you at the very start of the timer when sometimes I’m banked one way in a turn for 5 seconds, which is often enough to give a fakour chance to sneak up.
Any tips for the F-100D?
Is there are clear photos of F-14B cockpit?
It seems the Engine Instrument Group (EIG) in the F-14B’s cockpit was a digital indicator, not an analog one as on the F-14A, but there is no evidence to support this other than a single photo.
Maybe there is some information about it in NATOPS from around 2000, but as far as I know it is still under of export controls.
Good thing you can see it coming from 100km away. Hope this helps bud.
Not in all circumstances…? You also can’t predict it’s coming for you? Once the fakour is close enough its burner is gone anyway?
It’s not particularly difficult to pre-notch a F-14 and prevent them from seeing you to begin with. Their radar is super simple and most F-14 players don’t even bother to use TWS correctly. If you have a decent RWR, put the bandit on your 3 or 9, fly like that until the missile spam hits the zombers and then turn in. You can even climb while doing it. They’ll never even see you on the radar screen. If you have an excess of chaff, you can also drop some of that intermittently to confuse their radar further.
You don’t even have to chaff the missile just pull 45 degrees away from it and stop complaining.
