where is that stated
you didnt explain anything
in the video you sent the f-14 pilot said that he could see the tanker on DL
there was no mention of a second f-14
Friendly aircraft send their position through DL so it is easier to find / IFF them
you mean the wikipedia page that dosent have any sources linked for those claims?
You didn’t even read the original quote lmao. Stop ragebaiting this thread and leave please.
Not the same video genius. 100 miles is nowhere near 230 or 460 miles.
“We were in Iraq and the Tanker was 190 miles away, i could see him on link16, i know exactly where he is and of course the awg-9 apg-70 isnt going to find him at that range”
Not 👏 the 👏 same 👏 vid 👏 de 👏 yo
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and if you mean any of the vids in this post
there isnt one that supports your claims
The antenna limits it to 230nm. It cannot see anything past that no matter what because the antenna is the bottleneck. The fact the electrical system behind it could make it see up to 460 with an apropriate antenna is not relevant.
So you cannot actually tell me how/why it can magically double its range with Datalink.
Link me the books, then. You make a lot of claims that are not backed up by anything.
The antenna stayed the same nor did the range change much. There have been giant upgrades to signal processing and filtering, sure, but those only increase the quality of the return within that max range. Any benefits to the max range are miniscule.
Linking two F-14Ds flying side-by-side on Datalink also doesnt improve the range since each of those radars can only see 230 miles away. You cannot make a radar see further than it already can by just bringing another radar next to it. Datalink doesnt work like that.
Datalink allows the transfer of information between aircraft and radars, allowing one aircraft to see targets far beyond its radar range, but the radar is completely blind in that case. You’d see targets picked up on your DL page by other radars, but you wouldnt be able to target them with your own radar until they get in range.
So if you had an AWACS pick a target up at 300 miles in front of an F-14, the Tomcat would see the target on the display, but the radar would be completely blind. Only when the target gets within the radar’s own range (in this case ~200 miles), would the F-14 actually be able to lock it up with its own radar.
Again, consult the image below. The F-14s would only be able to see what is inside the red area.
Yes, you have said that 3x now without providing any reliable source (a single uncited claim in a Wikipedia article is not reliable).
But lets for a moment ignore the reliability of the source and just assume Wikipedia is correct. You have chosen to interpret the Wikipedia article as meaning two F-14s relatively close to each other can somehow merge their radars over datalink to act as one bigger radar doubling the detection range. The Wikipedia article does not state that, and you have repeatedly declined to provide any source that does, so we can only conclude it is interpretation / assumption on your part.
Here’s an alternative interpretation of what the Wikipedia article means (again assuming it even has any basis in reality): The weapons system can display and carry out computations on targets up to 460 miles away, but the radar can only detect targets 230 miles away. Another F-14 can exchange tracks over datalink allowing them to be displayed up to 460 nautical miles away.
That may or may not be the case, but I would note that it does not conflict with the known laws of radar physics unlike your theory.
And asking for sources isn’t jet me being pedantic, it’s in your best interest to find some. You clearly want the F-14D to be good in game, and to do that you’re going to need more than a Wikipedia article and a couple of pilot interviews.
Well they might do further upgrades to the radar if that was leaked
You keep talking about the 2 radars next to each other connected with DL double the range.
Just think about it for a second. If that was the case, why is no one else doing it? Antenna is one of the main limiting factors of the radars, if there was a technology that would allow to double the range, simply by having a second plane (and most fighters have a wingman), without changing the antenna, just electronics, everyone would do it.
This argument is boring and dumb, no in service weapon had sufficient range to maximize the use of the radar to begin with.
Y’all know you can just stop replying to him and he will continue to be wrong but you keep sucking back into it 🤷🏼♂️
it is for the satisfaction of proving him wrong
I mean, isn’t that actually a feature on the F-35 though? I’m pretty sure LM and the air force/USN advertise that a flight of F-35s can link their radars together to act like one really big AESA instead of 4 normal sized ones.
I don’t think the “caveman with a robot suit” APG-71 can do the same though, it’s still a product of the nineties.
Expanding horizontal coverage and for IRST triangulation, not to extend range of a single radar.
Ok. I admit defeat. I’d rather cut this off here and get back to productive topics instead of this back and forth stuff for days on end. We will see who’s right if/when I get the MDR Information. It won’t serve much purpose ingame anyway.
The APG-71 was at the cusp of AESA technology, so it can be assumed that AESA wouldn’t be compatible/wouldn’t need such a capability.
Well, i’ve found many s–ts that explain how it can be done with mathematics that i can’t explain and actually it’s early morning here and i don’t want to even punish my brain with all that…
BUT:
MIMO.
And power-aperature product. Something has to do with this.
Too much power for one antena , but with MIMO via datalink can bypass the limitation.
It’s not a APG-71 thing or whatever,it just happen because the transmiter has the power to do it, while for example in a F-16s radar doesn’t.
In general in radars, the equipment limitations are defined by transmiter power and antenna size , you can use MIMO to bypass the antena size problem , when you have the transmiter power.
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Question. There is a NATOPS/ NAVAIR for F-14D , NAVAIR 01−F14AAD−1A , can’t they use it to bring the plane? Or is it of the stuff that are classified , but are everywhere on the internet?
There are actually methods of connecting radars through datalink to increase the detection range (particularly against low observability targets). Russia uses them on some SAM systems, there are rumors the US has tested it, and other countries like Japan have prototyped systems which use it.
However, it’s basically impossible to do for flying platforms, it takes fairly precise positioning information and really advanced time sharing protocols, which, as advanced as it was for the time, was well beyond the capability of the F-14’s microprocessor. And even if it was, the accuracy of positioning information needed is well beyond what any inertial or GNSS system of the time (or even now) could provide for a moving platform.
They’re called MIMO (Multiple-input multiple-output) radars, most existing versions for military use, like what russia uses, are specifically a variety called multistatic radars, key emphasis on static, it’s basically impossible to have them on moving things due to what I said earlier.
In reviewing the evolution of RWR systems in US Navy/Marines service, I came across an interesting detail regarding the ALR-45F. This variant, fitted to platforms like the AV-8C, F-4S, and A-7Es, appears to be functionally near-identical to the ALR-67. Essentially, it seems the ALR-45F was a retrofit package, embedding ALR-67 electronics into legacy ALR-45 installations, likely to minimize structural modifications while bringing older airframes up to then-current EW standards.
That raises the question… did the F-14A ever receive the ALR-45F? Given that by the mid 1980s the original ALR-45 was already outdated, it seems possible. The ALR-67, by contrast, was standard on F-14B and D models, and select F-14As were retrofitted with ALR-67 starting around 1995–96.
Has anyone come across documentation or maintenance records indicating that any F-14As operated with the ALR-45F during the interim, except secondary documents? Or was it essentially skipped in favor of direct ALR-67 upgrades?
That manual seems like it is classified, you can find other documents mentioning it but you can’t find it.
That manual has information about the Radar, DL, Irst, Weapon system, EW suite and a few more things