We’ve been trying to tell the government that for around 20 years apparently. It makes even LESS sense for the APG-71.
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Obviously i meant the two radars being next to each other AND connected to datalink. Each radar can only see stuff up to 230 miles away, and thats the only data it can send to the other aircraft and vice versa. Because that is all the radar can possibly see. Here’s an artist rendition of what i mean.
In what way does the F-14D datalink specifically make the APG-71 see past 230 miles? Actually explain it to me.
I have a feeling you just read on the wikipedia page of the AWG-9 that the APG-71 can achieve its max theoretical range (480nm) if two F-14Ds are linked together and just didnt actually research how that would happen or in what instances.
The APG-66 is not the APG-71. Though the 66V2 increasing its range a bit with new software updates and maybe some slight changes to the antenna doesnt prove anything about the APG-71’s seemingly magical datalink capabilities.
The radar system can see up to 460 miles. The antenna limits it. 3x now…
Ask Grumman and Hughes dude. I’ve done it twice now. The radar is classifed lmao.
Pilot testimonies and books on the F-14D state the same thing. Wiki is just the easiest place to show where it states that.
There are zero changes to the antenna… It’s pure software. Read the sources. It’s not rocket science to come to the conclusion the best mechanical radar in the world for it’s time evolved this technique to the APG-71 radar.
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all you have proven to us is that you have no clue how either radars or datalink works
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You haven’t proven anything in this thread period. You’ve only disrupted.
where is that stated
you didnt explain anything
in the video you sent the f-14 pilot said that he could see the tanker on DL
there was no mention of a second f-14
Friendly aircraft send their position through DL so it is easier to find / IFF them
you mean the wikipedia page that dosent have any sources linked for those claims?
You didn’t even read the original quote lmao. Stop ragebaiting this thread and leave please.
Not the same video genius. 100 miles is nowhere near 230 or 460 miles.
“We were in Iraq and the Tanker was 190 miles away, i could see him on link16, i know exactly where he is and of course the awg-9 apg-70 isnt going to find him at that range”
Not 👏 the 👏 same 👏 vid 👏 de 👏 yo
and if you mean any of the vids in this post
there isnt one that supports your claims
The antenna limits it to 230nm. It cannot see anything past that no matter what because the antenna is the bottleneck. The fact the electrical system behind it could make it see up to 460 with an apropriate antenna is not relevant.
So you cannot actually tell me how/why it can magically double its range with Datalink.
Link me the books, then. You make a lot of claims that are not backed up by anything.
The antenna stayed the same nor did the range change much. There have been giant upgrades to signal processing and filtering, sure, but those only increase the quality of the return within that max range. Any benefits to the max range are miniscule.
Linking two F-14Ds flying side-by-side on Datalink also doesnt improve the range since each of those radars can only see 230 miles away. You cannot make a radar see further than it already can by just bringing another radar next to it. Datalink doesnt work like that.
Datalink allows the transfer of information between aircraft and radars, allowing one aircraft to see targets far beyond its radar range, but the radar is completely blind in that case. You’d see targets picked up on your DL page by other radars, but you wouldnt be able to target them with your own radar until they get in range.
So if you had an AWACS pick a target up at 300 miles in front of an F-14, the Tomcat would see the target on the display, but the radar would be completely blind. Only when the target gets within the radar’s own range (in this case ~200 miles), would the F-14 actually be able to lock it up with its own radar.
Again, consult the image below. The F-14s would only be able to see what is inside the red area.
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Yes, you have said that 3x now without providing any reliable source (a single uncited claim in a Wikipedia article is not reliable).
But lets for a moment ignore the reliability of the source and just assume Wikipedia is correct. You have chosen to interpret the Wikipedia article as meaning two F-14s relatively close to each other can somehow merge their radars over datalink to act as one bigger radar doubling the detection range. The Wikipedia article does not state that, and you have repeatedly declined to provide any source that does, so we can only conclude it is interpretation / assumption on your part.
Here’s an alternative interpretation of what the Wikipedia article means (again assuming it even has any basis in reality): The weapons system can display and carry out computations on targets up to 460 miles away, but the radar can only detect targets 230 miles away. Another F-14 can exchange tracks over datalink allowing them to be displayed up to 460 nautical miles away.
That may or may not be the case, but I would note that it does not conflict with the known laws of radar physics unlike your theory.
And asking for sources isn’t jet me being pedantic, it’s in your best interest to find some. You clearly want the F-14D to be good in game, and to do that you’re going to need more than a Wikipedia article and a couple of pilot interviews.
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Well they might do further upgrades to the radar if that was leaked
You keep talking about the 2 radars next to each other connected with DL double the range.
Just think about it for a second. If that was the case, why is no one else doing it? Antenna is one of the main limiting factors of the radars, if there was a technology that would allow to double the range, simply by having a second plane (and most fighters have a wingman), without changing the antenna, just electronics, everyone would do it.
This argument is boring and dumb, no in service weapon had sufficient range to maximize the use of the radar to begin with.
Y’all know you can just stop replying to him and he will continue to be wrong but you keep sucking back into it 🤷🏼♂️
it is for the satisfaction of proving him wrong
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I mean, isn’t that actually a feature on the F-35 though? I’m pretty sure LM and the air force/USN advertise that a flight of F-35s can link their radars together to act like one really big AESA instead of 4 normal sized ones.
I don’t think the “caveman with a robot suit” APG-71 can do the same though, it’s still a product of the nineties.
Expanding horizontal coverage and for IRST triangulation, not to extend range of a single radar.
Ok. I admit defeat. I’d rather cut this off here and get back to productive topics instead of this back and forth stuff for days on end. We will see who’s right if/when I get the MDR Information. It won’t serve much purpose ingame anyway.
The APG-71 was at the cusp of AESA technology, so it can be assumed that AESA wouldn’t be compatible/wouldn’t need such a capability.