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Captured vehicles should start appearing as premiums again, would love to start seeing vehicles that were only laid down too (provided they are accurate so a new E100, panther 2 and things like FV215)
Germany has so many vehicles to choose from it makes little sense for them to get subtrees at all similar to USA. Personally I think BeNeLux should become a new tech tree and include Austria and Switzerland in that
Germany is more comparable to UK and franche overall technology wise with possibilities
USA, Russia and now China are massively bigger compared to germany with way more weapn programms.
If germany shouldnt have a sub tree neither should have UK and France. And UK isnt even stopping with sub trees but further demanding canadian and australian stuff
On an unrelated note about your
it is quite late in europe just saying
Difference is that Canada and Australia are still part of the same kingdom as the UK and Canadian and Australian players themselves are pushing for their countries to be in the UK tree, we arent seeing similar things to the same scale with other countries. nobody else has had the crappy treatment of being split into several trees either (other than before they had their own TT)
true, you’re not gonna get the European bickering, instead you get American exceptionalism however have to say the yanks are no better than the europeans are when talking about subtrees, although the europeans are more hellbent on being against anything relating to Britain just because britain
yeah yeah typical commonwealth excuse, but as soon other nations are looking for a tech tree possibility you deny it to them as if we are asking for babys to sacrifice to rheinmetall
nothing to do with britain but the fact you guys freaking already have 2 sub trees while other nations dont even have one and you are already asking for your 4th, 5th if we would count new zealand
not a commonwealth excuse, we have the same king and are culturally very close and near identical in military doctrine.
Im fine with tech trees in nations provided they fit in that tree BeNeLux and India being good examples of subtrees which don’t really fit, India is just soviet C&P and benelux was just to shoehorn leopard 2 into another tree.
South America going to USA would fit, Spain going to Italy would fit good, France has its colonies vehicles and honestly I can see Switzerland benefitting them better than they benefit Germany.
Ive already said about India being a crap subtree in its fit and execution and SA wasn’t really a great one in execution at all, the only notable vehicle from it was french, we didn’t really gain anything new from it and its taken up an entire line in the TT when its nothing of real substance, scout cars worse than our own and centurion modifications.
France got three wrapped into one and USSR gets every country that was in its own empire for the most part so its not that big of a deal.
Realistically NZ is just Australia jr, in Australian law they are no different than myself in England looking at Wales. there is not a single vehicle unique to New Zealand which could come to WT, they could only be skins to current vehicles (which is how I think shared vehicles of multiple countries should be to begin with. The strikemaster is a British training jet in NZ colours and there’s no way the Bob Semple is coming.
double standards, it would leead to exactly
that which you already criticised at benelux
South america for USA, Spain for italy. Would all be nice sub tree options. In the mean time you are once again invited to look at germanys sub tree options what we could get which would even be mildly intresting, help out at areas and maybe bring a bit of diversity
SA propably was the best implementation of a sub tree. Completly unique vehicles in a whole line.
Generaly you guys continue to fight and fight gajins sub tree decisions while we both know gajin wont change anything there. Thats why we just work with what we get and what we know is possible.
in all sense and purposes would still count, at the very least its more then luxembourg ever would be
which double standards exactly? I know Switzerland mostly speaks german but things like the panzer 68 give me the wacky french kind of vibe more than the refined german approach.
I mean Austria-Hungary is the best subtree option I can see for Germany but the better half of that was lost to Italy and they need all the help they can get.
“unique” at best the SARCs are all functionally identical and are a worse option than the AEC or daimler
eland/AML 90 is obsolete because of the fox and scimitar, olifant is just a centurion with a slightly better engine (the mk2s composite is worthless) and rooikat is a worse centauro and we have vickers mk11 which is overall better, Ratel is the only unique thing and they are the worst platform in the game.
the SA vehicles would have been better off filtered into the current lines of vehicles than wasting a whole new line, besides this happened the update before SA was added, class 3 went to Germany as a final screw you to the UK
they are in military union with belgium and the dutch so what they have is also theirs defence wise, NZ just kinda exists (and is forgotten on most maps lol)
did you seriously just edit my quote? because you cant argue against that?
so your answer is germany gets nothing because others are more important?
ah yes the good old the SA line prevented gajin to add domestic alternatives sooner excuse, nothing new either
wasnt there literaly another version of the damn with with an olifant turret or sth like that you guys could get?
didn’t realise id done that, my Grammarly screws with formatting on the forum ill fix that. my b
I refer to your statement
isn’t what I said. i said “SARCs are all functionally identical and are a worse option than the AEC or daimler
eland/AML 90 is obsolete because of the fox and scimitar, olifant is just a centurion with a slightly better engine (the mk2s composite is worthless) and rooikat is a worse centauro and we have vickers mk11 which is overall better, Ratel is the only unique thing and they are the worst platform in the game”
Not that they stopped UK additions coming sooner
I’m not understanding what you are saying here. damn?
leads to leopards being in your words shoehorned into another tree,
same leopard problem as with benelux
yeah, but switzerland literaly is sitting there as a possiblity , which would help at least the tiniest bit and would cover one of germanys weakest areas post col war era
even austria-hungary minor stuff aint realy possible because italy was claimed to be all “minor axis nations”
forgot the vehicle “of the damn vehicle”
Im just sick of nearly every tree having a Leopard 2 versions, its like how gaijin only adds T80U to any tree it can. the whole thing that brings most of us wt WT was the vehicle diversity across trees, every tree being the same at top tier ruins that.
there isn’t really anything from Germany from 1945 until 1965 with leo 1 true. Do think that allied and soviet occupying tanks should be used to fill those gaps, things like the IS3 and T55 would be good for that, the leopard 1 prototypes and Spähpanzer 1C would greatly help too
devil is really good at finding random SA vehicles.
Well if we’re gonna bring up vague political concepts that bear no relation to how close countries are today since they either only exist on paper or straight up ceased to be a thing, I introduce you to the German Confederation and the HRE.
:P
Out of all the tech trees you really think Germany needs more vehicles?
Out of the top 3, Germany, USA and Russia they don’t need any more sub trees, they are easily big enough with a huge selection of vehicles compared to other smaller trees.
And when they start adding experimental vehicles, which they definitely will at some point, Germany could easily get another 100+ vehicles.
So no. Absolutely not. Should Austria and swiss vehicles be added? Absolutely. Just not in any of the major tech trees because then you would have to split Germany onto both teams, all of the time.
I wouldnt call our king a vague concept
Britain doesn’t need sub trees either because, by that logic, if all British vehicles were to be added, it would be more than enough to pad out the tree
you are spotting nonsense there quite literaly.
Possibility wise and development wise germany is closer to UK and France then germany is to US. USSR and modern China.
If UK and France can get sub trees so can germany. Here is only your Bias speaking.
You might notice how germany can fit multiple times into US, RUSSIA and China, this comes together with way more economy and those countries putting way more into development and money. Multiple plane programms etc.
Germanys air is pretty dead from now on and can specialy need help post cold war where Switzerland specialy could help quite well.
If Germany can get more prototype heavy armored MBTs like PSO-VT, 2A6EX, 2A7+(I know all those three have controversy with armor, but anyway), the only subtree Germany will ever need is Switzerland for F/A-18.
But if not, Switzerland and Austria both would not be sub tree that gives enough vehicle for Germany. Austria is just Germany mk.2 in both air and ground, Switzerland can give something different but not enough to fill MBT gap between Germany and Sweden. all thos Pz 87 with additional armor has same weakpoint of gunner sight and hull.
In those case, Spain would be rather good subtree for Germany.
On ground, they have Leopard 2E, especially Tortuga with .50 cal, and they have upgrade plan for them. Air could be also strengthened with F/A-18s.
Finally, they have decent naval which could fill gap of German bluewater fleet’s scarce number of cruisers.
Hehe check again
Check what? Pz 87 cannot be 12.0 with any variant unless Pz87-140, and it still is not an armor of 122 and 2A7V level.
Doesnt need to be.
We dont need any tanks at 12.0
We need em at lower brs.
Eg: <8.0 - >10.0
