yeah. And I don’t even know what they could give in exchange. The best protection ones are AMX 50 Surblinde (1000$), Surbaisse (already in tech tree), they could add AMX 50 100 but it’s like, the most normal AMX 50 and should belong to tech tree, too. Really can’t remember a single tank more armored than those three
At least the SOMUA SM turret armor could be buffed so we could play hull-down effectively, I guess
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If it changes to 75mm then there is little reason to even have the Somua in the game. Damn.
Yup. And it wouldn’t be OP because the Cupola is still there for the taking, not to mention the big HE slingers like Pz2000.
Cupola would be buffed though.
it’s really sad to see this but it’s historical change which i support but am still upset at gajin for messing this up they the ones advertise the somua sm as heavy armored tank with best armor 150mm:
at least i used to able to push the enemy without have the same issue with other France tanks with there weak front armor but not anymore.
how much better armor can it stop tiger II 88m / IS-2 122 guns?
and is getting a 20mm or normal 7.62mm in the turret anti air gun?
lemme count, gimme a few min
top part prob won’t stop Tiger II, turret front is 120 mm LOS (~130-140 mm effective against AP)
but the collar part might be well-armored as it’s 120+175 in the very front but it gets considerably thicker at cheeks (see Wrong TO100 turret and collar armor report in Unreviewed)
So the turret would get buffed and hull would get huge nerf, so it would deserve solid BR reduction because overall protection would be reduced by a lot so BR should be reduced too, 7.7 with hull worse than panther’s would be DEFINITELY too high.
Yippie, 40 bucks into the trash thanks man
Calm da hell down gaijin won’t change it because there will be backlash of hundreds like you. My post is mostly for education purposes
I’m calm and I think it would be fair to change it, even though the 150mm lens was a selling point.
I’ve already used it extensively, and anyway, it’s not as good as it used to be, even though it’s still very powerful.
In addition, I think the main advantage is the reload, which allows for big baits; the armor is optional.
We need to remember that there was a few different models of hulls/turret/guns on Somua, like hull like Tiger 2 (actually by design it was based of Tiger 2, that’s why there is 150mm) there was also hull of AMX-50, differect turrets like “normal” like Tiger 2’s TO100, TOA100, TOA120.
Gaijin likes to pick w/e they want of many diff variants of vehicles. there are dozen of examples like T-64BV, Leopard 2a4 with B hull/C turret etc. etc.
only SM with TO100 is known to have been built in one example, known so for now at least
Yea and that 75mm is legit according to pixel counting UFP is 0.75 of 100mm round so 75mm is legit. But after that huge nerf it should go down to 7.0 or 7.3 AT LEAST.
won’t go below 7.7 without reload nerf, most likely
Definitely UFP thickness 150->75mm deserve BR drop.
I don’t see AMX 50 TOA100 getting dropped despite 90mm UFP and 40mm turret
Well it’s widely known that These tanks are overtiered. Most overtiered is premium TO90/930 which is 8.0 with barely 207mm pen aphe, it has 137g tnt, but it’s useless when u non stop face 8.3/8.7/9.0 and can’t pen them.
f/e T-10M at 8.3 is absolutely inpenetrable frontally even at 0m distance, same story with T-55 / T-62 etc. (France face RUS in enemy team VERY often so that’s reason of examples, there are still many of vehicles which are very hard to penetrate, like M60’s, especially on distance.
All these AMX-50’s should be AT MOST 7.3 tbh.
120mm cannons are very powerful, but these tanks are huge and has very week armour so wouldn’t stand a chance vs most of vehicles at this BR, especially when many of them has stabilizer, But 7.7 make sense.
I agree. They should fight King Tigers at most - they’re paper and because they can shoot fast doesn’t mean they have to load the shot right after they and their enemy meet each other - both have guns loaded.
Armor is bad, their size is huge.
120mm versions have APBC which has casino randomness mechanic when it bounces even off Panther UFP. I believe it would also bounce from T-34 UFP lmao
Then the 930 version doesn’t have access to HEAT-FS munition, same as Bat.-Chat.25t
7.7 is absolutely fine though. The 90mm autoloaders are both overtiered but the 7.7 ones are perfectly fine. If the armour gets teduced it becomes way more similar to the amx-50 TOA100 and the loraaine 40t.
if only APCBC shells didn’t underperform and we could actually penetrate 55 degree 120 mm plates with APCBC, at 200-300 m, like documents say… but stupid Gaijin’ formulas work against it.
Would be nice if ricochet chances were removed, too. 120mm APBC bouncing off Panther and T-55 is an effen joke.