Front and rear-aspect are the angles Im usually wanting to fire as Ive had more than a few Aim-9Ms kinematically fail to hit a target flying perpindicular, though I do agree, the IRCCM usually works quite well if you can establish a good shot
Fairness. I agree, its probably not needed, but if we remove HOBS from the Rafale, then it would probably only be fair to do the same for the soviets, Though again, where hte Rafale would not suffer even slightly, the Su-30 probably would.
High speed and alt advantage side aspect shots are my favorite
Simple answer is that I never actually played the mk24 alongside my squadmate. My mk24 isn’t even upgraded totally, so no shit it performed poorly. If you want to see what aircraft I played with my squadmate, you should look at something similar that was released around the same time but with slightly reduced performance. :^)
This is a great example of why stats aren’t the best litmus test, and profile stalkers always get things out of context.
Did a quick run of data collection at top tier for you guys. Mainly to check how often certain nations are paired with France.
sample size: 600 replays
| Vehicle | Ratio | Data points |
|---|---|---|
| Rafale C | 2.07 | 3406 |
| Mirage 2000 | 1.31 | 581 |
| Su-30SM | 1.2 | 5354 |
| Typhoon FGR.4 | 1.2 | 989 |
| J-10A | 1.08 | 924 |
| ▄JAS39C (Great Britain) | 0.96 | 622 |
| J-11B | 0.96 | 567 |
| ◄EF-2000 | 0.91 | 2502 |
| Su-27SM | 0.82 | 1041 |
| F-15C | 0.79 | 795 |
| F-15E | 0.78 | 2475 |
| F/A-18C Late | 0.77 | 1739 |
| F-16C | 0.76 | 1168 |
| Su-34 | 0.47 | 572 |
| Nation | Paired % | Data points |
|---|---|---|
| USSR | 76.61% | 573 |
| USA | 86.36% | 572 |
| Germany | 62.64% | 546 |
| Great Britain | 92.66% | 477 |
| China | 72.37% | 456 |
| Sweden | 86.6% | 388 |
| Japan | 28.4% | 324 |
| Israel | 28.57% | 273 |
| Italy | 17.49% | 183 |
This data has matches removed when either nation was on both teams
| Nation | Paired % | Data points |
|---|---|---|
| USSR | 14.1% | 156 |
| USA | 43.88% | 139 |
| Germany | 23.31% | 266 |
| Great Britain | 90.38% | 364 |
| China | 51.72% | 261 |
| Sweden | 85.27% | 353 |
| Japan | 19.44% | 288 |
| Israel | 22.31% | 251 |
| Italy | 10.12% | 168 |
Not the most data to go off from but can also do per vehicle K/D
| vehicle | Ratio | Data points |
|---|---|---|
| ◄EF-2000 | 2.38 | 466 |
| F-15E | 2.23 | 359 |
| F/A-18C Late | 2.09 | 216 |
| Su-30SM | 1.57 | 1027 |
| vehicle | Ratio | Data points |
|---|---|---|
| F-15E | 1.77 | 479 |
| F-16C | 1.73 | 227 |
| F/A-18C Late | 1.53 | 311 |
| ◄EF-2000 | 1.36 | 439 |
| Su-30SM | 1.0 | 828 |
| Typhoon FGR.4 | 0.99 | 281 |
| Rafale C | 0.64 | 1027 |
| vehicle | Ratio | Data points |
|---|---|---|
| F-15E | 1.43 | 279 |
| Su-30SM | 0.74 | 439 |
| Rafale C | 0.42 | 466 |
So they should give the Su30’s dogshit R60s and Who knows what radar missile?
Good to know we haven’t just lost it.
That would explain the differences between the Eurofighters (if the sample size is relevant)
I feel like statistically the chance of an 80% difference with a sample size of a couple hundred happening randomly is almost zero.
Also I feel like it says a lot that the Rafale is so dominant right now it’s significantly affecting the winrates of OTHER aircraft.
And you totally missed the point ahah
Beamwidth was simply better than other AAM’s (7.5deg vs 15deg), it was still worse than the MICA’s (7.0 deg), which is itself still more than the reported beamwidth of the AIM-120A/B seen in their bug report (ie: still would be nerfed) and doesn’t actually make it “viable” in BVR, since even the MICA is easily decoyed, and it still has a superior seeker to what the AIM-120C-5 would have had had it not been nerfed to the level of all other top tier fox 3’s. All it would’ve done was made it superior to the other ARH’s and on par with the MICA seeker-wise.
You have a habit of asking for pre-emptive buffs to the best jet in the game, and seeing as they are pre-emptive requests, you arent even basing them on any actual evidence of game balance. You just see quite literally anything that might pose a minor risk to absolute supremacy of the jet you’ve been abusing since its addition, and immediately run to the forums to ask for buffs because
From the MICA vs R-77-1 cry-post, pre-dating the 120C-5’s addition by 3 months btw, you were already crying about the Rafale being “outdated” and almost 8 months ago.
It is unreasonable, since it still flies completely in the face of balance, with the Rafale still VASTLY outperforming every other contender in-game, and neither the R-77-1 nor the AIM-120C-5 on their respective platforms contend with the MICA in the current state of the game.
You also have not actually proven that the MICA is underperforming in range, or kinematic energy at range. All you’ve proven regarding that is that the MICA is currently implemented does not reach the required overload at the required range in VL configuration, so we know something is wrong, but what that thing is specifically, you don’t actually know, you just make assumptions and pass them off as facts to people who couldn’t be bothered to fact check you. Your bug report on the subject was shot down because you sourced it horribly, it was a miracle (or foul play) that it was even accepted in the first place.
We should wait for the Rafale to start performing notably below par stat-wise compared to aircrafts at its BR, its already had 10 months as the uncontested king of all air battles at this point, longer than any aircraft in WT history afaik. At the very least longer than any aircraft of WT’s missile era, and considering the most recent leak list, there doesn’t seem to be any additions coming this update that will put a dent in it either.
Also, I know you were being snide, but considering how poorly the AIM-120C-5 actually performs in WT, being quite literally worse than its predecessor, its not exactly a stretch to imagine that if/when the AIM-120D is added, it will also have a pretty meager showing relative to expectations. It’ll still be utter trash at HOBS shots as well, since it has the same fins as the AIM-120C-5 and gaijin seemingly cant possibly imagine something as magical as software and servo motor improvements, and are violently allergic to the idea of ARH missiles being effective in BVR combat, so the MICA still might very well be better than the AIM-120D in WT anyways.
There is VASTLY better sourcing on the AIM-120’s underperforming in both range and seeker than what you’ve tried to bug report for the MICA, so if the AIM-120’s dont get a buff, it would be reasonable to assume that the MICA, which is more effective than all other missiles in-game shouldn’t even dream of a buff, but we’ve all seen how gaijin panders to the Rafale, so it wouldn’t surprise me if MICA got buffed anyways.
It’s common knowledge the rafale It’s not that strong actually, but rather the french players are Just goated at the game
Those french mains truly are WT’s superior race obviously
The only thing that i think comes close off the top of my head is the MiG-23MLD but even that was also nowhere near as bad as the rafale is now.
Honestly the mental gymnastics that the French community uses to defend the Rafale being the way it is needs to be studied in a lab…
Yeah MLD was close in duration to the Rafale rn. Introduced on Oct 27th 2021, F-14A was then added June 14th 2022, giving the MLD roughly 8 months as top dog before it had actual competition.
Another interesting point regarding the MLD era though was that at some point, something happened which seemingly made the J-7E a monster (i don’t remember what it was exactly, or maybe it always was and wasn’t noticed until later?), and by the time the F-14A rolled around, the J-7E was preferred by some players over the MLD and even the F-14A, especially since the F-14A had issues with ripping its wings and a super high IR signature, alongside being added back when radar missiles where at their worst in WT history. To this day, the J-7E(11.3/11.0) can hang in fights against the F-14A(12.7/12.3) and M2KCS5(12.7/12.7). Even the MLD(11.7/11.3), which has since been nerfed pretty heavily iirc, sits at a higher BR than it!
Mini J-7E rant over lol
GB EF best because it plays with france/ rafs 99% of the time
The GB f18 will also be the best even with worse engines. Been waiting for the sale even though iv had the US one unlocked for months i wont buy it as it just Raf food.
Mad how OP the raf really is.
It sits at 11.0 in sim
And It stomps on pretty much every plane It comes across unless they run away
This is the biggeset cope ever. Though how do you explain the Taiwan Mirage 2000 performing as well as it is if its just “french mains are good”
I believe it’s meant to be sarcastic.
I dont know anymore.
I beleive several French mains genuinely consider the Rafale bad and the only reason it does well is because they are just better players.