Both can pull around 18Gs in min fuel. With instructor ON is more about how gaijin setup how much each should pull before bleeding too much energy from excessive AoA, and to avoid wing rip.
Since the rafale weight got considerably lowered recently, it should easily pull 1G+ more than before, since the FM and instructor settings are the same. The rafale now will rip the wings at 19-20G while the eurofighter will rip at 18G
With instructor the eurofighter pulls 12.7G and the rafale 14.6G which is a big difference, altrough the rafale bleeds more speed in comparison
I’d argue when both jets sit comfortably in the 1.5+ TWR range in that config (low fuel), bleeding more speed is an advantage. Gives you better energy control.
No… Ignoring that the rafale can pull harder, having better energy retention is always good since you can use your air brake or lower engine throttle to tighten the circle/bleed more speed
I disagree, the logic I am using is pretty simple. Someone who say, wants the F-2 will probably buy a Japanese premium to grind it out. If they decide they want a Rafale later, they’ll need to buy a French premium too. That’s a missed sale for them if that player can use their Japanese premium for both.
And as for “giving french players a taste of their own medicine”; that’s basically a spin on crab mentality and crab mentality is a cancerous (geddit?) mentality that shouldn’t be replaced with similarly unintelligent revenge schemes.
Revenge nerfs/copypasta aren’t going to make anyone happy for particularly long.
The typhoon currently sits at its highest possible empty weight of all available sources, and the rafale at the lowest. Additionally just about anything on the EF ever will quote the thrust as 180kN (quite significantly more than 17300kgf).
Not sure about anyone else but I wouldn’t trust gaijin to implement the LOAL in a way that works. LOBL would probably just be objectively more reliable anyways.
I personally have some doubts about that, since the EJ200’s arent actually operating at peak output in the EFT. They’ve been derated for decreased wear and therefore increased life expectancy.
Installed thrust being lower than 180kN combined would make sense as an argument if 90kN individual, and 180kN combined was the engines peak output and they were operating at said level while experiencing channel loss, but since they’re never operating at their true peak output of 95kN individual or 190kN combined, the stated 180kN on all EFT documentation could be argued to be the installed thrust imo.
Same Rafale that needs an upgraded engine because it no longer meets the requirements?
Remind me in 20 years how many engine upgrades has Typhoon needed?
