TBH the thing was screwed the moment Spain entered the party with Airbus D&S as contractor in the NGF.
Each pillar is cut into 3 equal workshare part, but each piller gets a “main partner” (or lead partner). Dassault then finds itself being the lead partner but with only a 33% workload. That can’t work, because it can not lead the project while Airbus gets more tasks. Not to mention, each partner also has a vote, and Airbus having 2 parts against one for Dassault on NGF means Dassault can’t decide anything.
Yes because Indra chose Airbus spain as its contractor for that part. Indra is still the overall coordinator for Spain.
Yeah so Airbus wants to go with the agreement thats actually relevant since spain exists and is a partner and Dassault doesnt like spain. The brochure you sent also has Dassault as the Key partner for the NGF and thats by Airbus themselves
Dassault does not “like” or “dislike” Spain, Spain is a country and Dassault a company, it’s not some high school drama
“Relevant agreement” is when you decide that Dassault has the lead and… oh wait nevermind, Airbus gets this pillar too by adding a subsidiary from an other country, resulting in a 66% share and 2 votes against 1, well that surely is convenient.
Could be wrong, but i don’t think the main contractors decided who would go on what pillar, it was each state.
It was an obvious joke aimed at Dassaults unwillingness to accept the new reality with 3 equal partners
Well maybe Dassault should have been more european then and build subsidiaries in other european countries like Airbus did.
The countries chose the main industrial coordinators which then choose their respective subcontractors (ofc with all the government-industry connections normal for the MIC)
As you said earlier, in terms of companies it’s 2, Airbus is just more equal than others
That program is going straight into a dead-end.
Time will tell
You and I both know this is a poor argument
first because Airbus is a merger of multiple european companies while Dassault is french, Spain would have went with it, even if Dassault was in Spain
secondly because it doesn’t solve the core issue, that being Airbus having absolutely no business telling Dassault how to build a jet fighter, considering they struggled on EF, with the help of Leonardo and BAE mind you. In other words, and as you would say it your self : Airbus should’ve built good jet fighters (or at least 1 by theirselves)
If Airbus D&S is unhappy with the current arrangement they can try to knock at Lockheed or Chengdu Corporation, see if they got some IP to share or if anyone would like to get bossed around. Chances are though, they’ll be as well received as they were by Dassault.
The Eurofighter consortium decided to wait for AESA to mature before upgrading to AESA despite having an AESA radar available in 2008 as the CAPTOR-M was and still is a hightly capable M-scan radar. Dassault outfitted the Rafale with PESA and then AESA very early. The Rafales early PESA radar was considered weaker than the CAPTOR-M
There are 289 Rafales built and 609 EFTs from what I can find. In the coming years, many will be upgraded with CAPTOR-E which is vastly more capable than the radar found in the Rafale.
Kuwait and Qatar are upgrading a combined 52 aircraft, Germany have ordered about 150, with more planned, Spain has ordered 25, Britain has ordered 40, with another 67 planned to be ordered, Italy has ordered 24 for now, though may order more.
TLDR: Right here right now, most likely more Rafales, in a few years. vastly more Typhoons
Exactly. It takes time. Where Rafale jumped in with PESA straight off the bat, and probably shouldnt have done so. The Eurofighter consortium chose to wait and develop something far more capable.
Sure, massively more funds would have sped things up, but it still takes time to research and engineer things and new tech is constantly developed that is unrelated. Just look at the leaps in things like processors we’ve had in the past 15-20 years.
And now the Typhoon is being outfitted with a far far more capable radar than the Rafale. Might be the best airbourne radar in the world
Time ? fighter based AESA is old at this point. Maybe… what the mid 1990s ?
30 years to develop a radar, really ?
While RBE2 PESA was quite limited indeed (kind of portrayed in game really, seing as Rafale’s radar is currently blocked to around 80km, but i digress), RBE2 AESA is a very decent one.
Not like Rafale’s AESA will stay forever since the RBE2 has its own replacement coming up, being RBE2 XG
Well the problem is the British Armed Forces itself already pretty undefunded, you know due to Britain still haven’t recovered from its aviation industry fallout.
IMHO, I don’t really mean the hate for Britain obviously, but compared to France, France have pretty good industry, and also due to its politics it’s pretty far for France for its military industrial complex being either overfunded like in the US, or underfunded like UK.
Sure, Typhoon will have better AESA due to being newer radar too, but, that would cost way more than RBE2-AA IMHO.
they added rafale with aesa radar probably cus of its azimuth coverage. captor E , raven, no 35 ibris will have a much better azimuth coverage than anything else in wt.
