I think what you are refering in both cases are ground launched variants. Ground based IRIS-T has a bigger motor and ground based ASRAAM has a VL turnover pack.
Like I said, IRIS-T is likely to get dunked on by the inferior PID controller in-game and bad TVC. ASRAAM I wouldve expected better range, but this may not be true. Both are maneuvrable enough for any advantage the IRIS-T may have not to matter in that regard either imo.
This also doesnt touch on other missiles such as the P5 and its ability to miss targets and reengage, or whatever witchcraft lies the chinese players come up with about their mystical missiles and opaque sources.
Regarding 5th gen IIR missiles, I think implementation and capabilities is completely up in the air. Particularly when it comes to seekers, since afaik the Russians didnt get into IIR until VERY recently with the R-74M2, and we know gaijin is absolutely murdering the performance of some more advanced seekers, such as Stingers POST seeker(which is a quasi-imaging seeker) and beyond.
We have a photo of that one on a British Eurofighter (DA2):
Eurofighter isn’t unique in carrying 18 Brimstones:
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OH neat, didnt see these! Good find!
Im not too sure about it balance-wise tbf… on one hand, 18 Brimstones would be devastating for balance, on the other, they might hit like wet farts due to their “small” warheads and them being HEAT, so maybe you’ll need 18 to kill 1 T-90M or Pantsir…
Itd be lovely for convoy clearing in sim tho!
I can’t see any way IRIS-T has a range equal to or greater than ASRAAM, the whole reason the project split was because UK wanted range while Germany wanted greater manoeuvrability off the rail. The rocket motor on ASRAAM is is significantly larger than IRIS-T.
The ground launched versions make it pretty clear. IRIS-T SLS (basically a ground launched IRIS-T) has an advertised maximum range of 12 km, while CAMM (ground launched ASRAAM with an ARH seeker and soft launch pack) has an advertised maximum range of >25 km.
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Yeah its a bit of a headscratcher to me too, im still trying to find the thing where I saw it. I could be completely misremembering too, but that would only support the idea that the platforms with IRIS-T are likely to just be outright inferior in-game to those with ASRAAM.
I can seem them limiting it to 4 hard points. So only 12 and then im expecting them to have C&P performance of AGM-65s with IR seeker.
So you’ll probably have to enter the range of a Pantsir to fire them off.
But yeah… This is why I really want the Tornado Gr4 with Brimstone.
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Hopefully we’ll have ALARM at the same time and can really really destroy those convoys
Thatd be a little odd considering they are MMW seekers and not IIR…
Probably lol.
I dont think ALARM is necessary for convoy clearing, but it would be cool lol. Id much rather they give us GBAD batteries and ground based radar to shoot at instead of borderline PNG “bombing targets”. Give us targets with an actual tactical impact and requiring a bit more than dropping dumb bombs on a painted circle on the map yanno…
Hey… Martels got TV guidance. Wierder things have happened
Yeah. that would be good too. But just being able to deal with Gepards around Convoys or Battlefields with ease wouldnt go a miss
I think it’s fairly uncontroversial to say that ASRAAM is faster and has longer range, while IRIS-T can turn better (at least at short range). But yeah beyond that the advantages / disadvantages are more controversial. For example the BGT marketing guy once claimed that IRIS-T’s scanning 128x2 (instead of 128x128) seeker made it more resistant to DIRCM; there may be some true to that, but IIR seekers are inherently resistant to DIRCM anyway so how much of an advantage is it really?
There’s essentially three separate areas that can be debated, and people tend to jump between them a lot when discussing the topic:
- Raw performance - Just how much faster is ASRAAM? Just how much tighter turning is IRIS-T? etc.
- Utility - Does is matter that IRIS-T is better in a dogfight if you can fire ASRAAM before getting to within dogfight range? etc.
- Implementation - How badly will Gaijin butcher each missile?
I’m inclined to agree with you there.
That’s pretty much what it was designed to do IRL.
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I think it’s more likely that they’d give us Dual Mode Brimstone, and not let us use the MMW mode. Which takes away Brimstone’s unique selling point.
Oh yeah. im defo expecting Dual Mode. but its gunna be like 20km range under ideal conditions, but you’ll probably end up more like 10-15km away before you can actually lock on and fire. They may even hard require a T-pod to be equipped. Just hope we get better than the Gen 1 TIALD we have now
MICA IR you mean ?
sry couldn’t resist X)
I couldnt remember which one it was. Thought EM = IR and the ARH was different name or something. Its french, they are wierd :P
I sling 65D’s at them. Works really well (barring the fact im trying to ID targets at like 480p in VR with excessive jittering before i get into instadeath range of those SPAA’s cuz gaijin doesnt like VR or the LITENING TGP)
I have more problems trying to clean up the convoys afterwards tho. Dumb bombs vs hard targets on low poly roads can really suck…
EM = ElectroMagnetic = Radar
IR = Infrared
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Yeah. Back when Gr7 was 11.0. I use to hunt hte convoys with 4x AGM-65 and 2x Paveways (though thanks to Flame, that can now go up to 6x AGM-65s) but now its 11.7. Thats a lot harder to do
But i just dont bother in the Gr1. Just not worth the effort, even with PGMs
MICA EM is Fox 3 (EM standing for Electromagnétique)
MICA IR is Fox 2
And it’s basically “R27 2 Electric boogaloo” all other again, same missile, different seekers.
To get back on topic, i assume ASRAAM can be fired via datalink ? Would be sweet with the good range it has. Because i’m fairly certain Gaijin will butcher the seeker so hard they’ll go “here’s your 5th gen IR missile with a 5km range front aspect”. Having a datalink would be a nice reverse uno card to that
iirc, the convoys have 9-10 vehicles, and its a tad bit of a hassle to go back for PGM’s for a second run, so ive been trying to use 6x65D’s and 12x500lbs, but the 500lbs have had… mixed results…
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Yep. and PIRATE IRST can provide that data-link I beleive
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