This is imo, one of the most significant factors. Whilst strictly speaking the Typhoon will probably win in a WVR fight if everyone had equal missiles. the fact the 9M are the weakest dogfighting missile at top tier currently is quite a major nerf. Rafale and Su-30 can quite happily outdogfight a Typhoon simply because they dont need a clear easy rear aspect shot against the target to the get
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At this point Rafale wont carry any Magics while SU-27SM, J-11A and SU-30 will launch a R-77 from behind if the R-73 did not connect or doesn’t seem likely to.
Even Rafale will die to a SU-27 or SU-30 if it doesn’t stay out of the WEZ of R-77 or doesn’t do the same combined with pre flaring against the R-73.
Even though Rafale would win the guns only every time on paper.
AIM-9M/9Li just like R-27ET should not be underestimated. They have their uses.
Only Magic 2 is so overshadowed by MICA that using it since it goes on the wing tip pylons too usually is the better option.
You have constant fear of gaining too much separation to allow an R-73/PL8/R-77-1 or MICA shot as your chances of defending it become harder as you slow down
ET is just a gem generally speaking but it just like AIM-9Li can be mistaken for FOX 3 launches netting easy kills.
In the right situation AIM-9M is still top notch even if it is worse than R-73 or Magic 2 over all.
On F-15E I would not bother with AIM-9M I think.
On Eurofighter sadly there is no choice. I have had matches without a single AIM-120 kill in which I got kills with AIM-9M.
Definetly situational. Apart from the incorrect lock ranges. I dont have any inherrent issues with the 9Ms at this time. But my god, would love to have a HOBS SRAAM.
I wonder wether we are going to see AIM-120C for selected aircraft in the near future.
It probably is still to early for AIM-9X Block II, ASRAAM, MICA-IR, Python 5 or IRIS-T.
Perhaps we will receiver Python 4 first and then AIM-9X.
Whatever happens Eurofighter needs to be fixed.
At the moment it is roughly as efficient as BF-110 was during the battle of Britain.
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Its possible. I definetly see Aim-120C5s coming for something like the F3 Late within this year. But It really depends on what they want to do for other nations I think. But I definetly see Aim-120C5s coming for the Typhoon before we get ASRAAMs
Definetly agreed. Its not about making it OP, or giving it ahistorical capabilties for the Typhoon currently being represented (like the Rafale got) its about making it representive of even the Typhoon DAs, which it barely is currently.
I honestly do not begrudge Rafale it’s capabilities. Even some strictly speaking ahistorical ones are acceptable seeing how Gaijin adds questionable aircraft or aircraft configurations at times but even if it doesn’t have the best missiles at the moment Eurofighter only looks the part. It flies like a brick.
Surprisingly the lacking flight performance above all else breaks it’s spine.
Aim9M is a good missile, especially in game modes with no aircraft markers.
It’s an ambush missile. R-73 does both with also thw short range capability.
I would swap Aim9M for a Magic 2 or R-73.
No French or Russian would swap for the 9M
Now when we get ASRAAM im dropping the 2 120s and going 6 ASRAAM and 4 120s
True but even in RB it can bring doom at ranges were people do not expect a launch these days.
Or defend incorrectly. Got a good kill against a Mig-29 in the GR4 with a Aim-9M because he just spammed flares without doing anything else.
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Su-30 can only pull more AoA when your slow. 800km/h or lower. That thing its a brick ATM. It can only pull 7-8g when your going fast. So Dunno from were that copium that it can pull more come from. Also 27sm can only pull 2g more than su-30sm.
Fox3 you write its just another copium. If you ever got kill by a R-77-1 on altitud/range. Its literally your fault. Not the missile being better than AMRAAM. I’ve see people literally turning into the Missile when the thing its hanging on the sky.
The Su-30sm/R-77-1 will never be the best long range missile you people copium about. The su-30sm its a slow plane. It will never launch a missile at M1.6+ at 8000km+ alt. Like Typhoon, Rafale or F-15.
Just compare; Me on the Su-30sm trying to launch something at BVR. While that F-15 its 10km in front of me at 2.5km more alt.
The satisfaction of launching R-27ET on a radar locked target which is hugging the ground.
The desperate last second furile dumping of flares…
Wonderful.
haha, wish the 9M had its IRL lock ranges to allow us to do something similar.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/PX7CKrwWNGdr
Too many times i’ve had a target not just in range, but in the LSZ but nothing, no lock
You can and short range head on it can catch players out.
Alternatively though a full AB burning Su-27SM2 avoids it by flying straight and dropping flares.
Its Jekyll and Hyde
You did not process what I wrote to you if you even read it.
No one said AIM-120 had worse energy potential on long range. But at the the ranges that matter most even the normal R-77 is superior with R-77-1 being clearly superior. Not to mention MICA.
That F-15 is nearly 55 Km away from you btw.
SU-30 does not need to be fast it is cruising patiently with it’s potent payload.
SU-27 especially SM is quite a bit faster and quite a bit more nimble. The Thrust Vectoring makes a difference though.
You do not have to go below 1000 km/h to notch in SU-30.
You also do not have to fly as high or fast as the average single minded F-15E player to dominate.
Even with adjusted lock range ET is in a different dimension kinematically.
It’s potential against unaware targets can not be overestimated.
Oh yeah, definetly, just need ASRAAM to beat it ;P