Both of them will be cancer thats for sure, especially MICA IR considering it has the same range as MICA-EM but with IIR seeker that can ignore basically any countermeasure system except Spectral one, not to mention unlike ASRAAM it has TVC system which gives you huge advantage in dogfights.
It’s a tough one, based on Gaijins previous rules if it’s in the manual the jet can use it.
Maybe each nation gets everything?
I was joking really but meteor seem to be too extreme right now (and in map size like in the game you instantly enter it no escape zone)
120C-5 probably enough for few years to come
Wont be an issue for Rafale or Typhoon though as their protection systems have Spectral countermeasures.
I also think MAWS systems will make long range IIR missile shots less viable
Wait, do Russians use spectral flares?
This could affect the implementation of IIR seekers heavily.
That I dont know, But the all of NATO have access to Spectral countermeasures and Typhoon currently operates with them.
They can be used from standard dispensers.
Russia use, at least on the Su-57 and Ka-52M IR dazzlers combined with countermeasures
So far only these 2 have immunity against those seekers, dont know if any other plane uses same countermeasure system (Maybe Gripen E).
Can be but until we get our hands on those missiles we will never know.
SAAB love a countermeasure they will have them. Gaijin will give all nations Spectral CMs.
Question is will they be a 3rd type or replace standard IR ones?
I dont think BOL can currently equip Spectral CMs right now.
Good question, possibly it will replace current ones or will give you the choice wetherer you want to use it or not.
BOL itself should be pretty much on par with Spectral countermeasures if im not mistaken.
BOL does not mimic plane signature, it creates a IR wall between the plane and missile
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Yeah the BOL countermeasures should pretty much obscure the jet like a blanket if used right, which i think would be effective IIR or not, but we also don’t know what its actual signature is, but it’s not a traditional MTV.
MJU-52/B allegedly:
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Proper IIR missiles will absolutely have no issue tracking through laser DIRCM like the Russians use on Ka-52 and Su-57 right now.
https://spie.org/news/5614-ir-imaging-seekers-may-be-very-resistant-to-laser-jamming
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I suggest using this method on a counterattack after notching. This is a duel situation in 90% of cases. Especially in ASB. In this situation, the average distance between planes is 10-20 km, at this distance the Captor is too slow, and the disadvantages of the PIRATE do not matter.
Why? If you like boxing with your hand tied behind your back, who am I to change your mind?
They gave you a DASS that can detect and defend against missiles. All that’s left is to add an arrow pointing to the ideal evasion trajectory.
In extreme cases, this missile can simply be shot down.
Being able to shoot down missiles that easilly makes the Typhoons 6 120s pretty paltry. That Su-30 could jyst fly straight and level shoot down the 120s and still have 8 missiles to shoot back!
Well… Yeah. If soviet (although considering the flag, it is already “russian”) thinks of that, then Typhoon is in big trouble. I don’t know how to counter the missile-shooting tactic when the enemy has more missiles and a better radar.
In the range of the DASS (10 or so kilometers), you’d be hard pressed to defend against a modern long range IIR missile such as the ASRAAM or MICA, unless you somehow can kinematically defeat them (good luck if the launch is under 20km from you)
As the current game engine stands, you just can’t flare and IIR missile. Ka50 players can discuss it as I have been stomping them with AASM despite their IRCM, which also use an IIR seeker.
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I wonder if they’ll implement the IRIS-T + DASS self protection capability.
Would be interesting to see the interplay between the much longer ranged ASRAAM armed Typhoons and the automatic missile shoot-down German/Italian Tyhpoons.
Here are pics comparing BOL vs a more standard flare in NVG’s:
And heres a pic of what I believe (tho am not 100% sure) to be 3 BOL deployements as viewed by an IRST:
As can be seen, the BOL flare deployement is absolutely massive, easily dwarfing an aircraft as large as an F-14 in NVG’s at least.
Just thought id add these pics since there aremt too many BOL pics :)
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With all the technical limitations of the engine, they either have to rework their engine from the ground up or port the game to an entirely new engine while fixing their code (model/layout) and the concept of their in-game systems at the same time. Both the IR and the RF system (including the RCS mechanic) are in dire need of a major rework.
But all this would take immense time and work and their holy money, so we won’t see this anytime soon.
Apparently Squish got access to documents that others have been kind of keeping to themselves. TLDR his conclusion is the EF in the dev server is overperforming in turn and acceleration. Comparisons to in-game start at 46:30.
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