Most likely they got a “number twist” on the RCS part of the MAW which is currently set to 1.0 m² for the 20 km range. Should be 0.1 m² instead and 11 km for 0.01 m² targets like MANPADS.
With the current settings it detects enemy Air-to-Air missiles only at ridiculously short ranges of a few kilometers and MANPADs at even less.
Those numbers are literally just one guy’s estimates off of Wikipedia. They won’t cut it with Gaijin.
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Yeah but even then there’s still something wrong, either missiles have rcs modeled wrong or the sensor itself is modelled wrong, 1.0 m² at 20km is still 0.01 m² at a little over 7km.
Could be wrong here now but wouldn’t the MAW have to use unrealistically low frequencies (for the given antenna size), like S- to X-Band to have that bad of a resultion at the given distance?
True, so something other fishy is going on currently…
There literally ain’t any information from what i saw, maybe this image could be a source if we consider every ring to be 25km, that missile is being tracked at 25km+. Also there should be evidence that the maws should be able to track planes or else how could the iris-t do a 180 to kill enemy planes and missiles, which apparently was stated in a presentation.
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MAW tracking planes was already mentioned to the devs which they shot down as it would be extremly OP to have an all around AESA in game which would be able to track all fighter size targets (and FFI them) at up to 44 km in real time while also being able to lock onto and fire missiles at them.
OP until Russia and the US catch up and then it will be a “new feature”
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Yeah but if they model it being detected by RWR that can detect both MMW and LPI emitters (which this MAW apparently is) maybe that wouldn’t be so op after all.
That missile indication is likely coming from the RWR.
Take your pick:
- Pilot designating target by HMD
- Targeting an RWR contact
- Target location provided by data-link
Also note that an ASRAAM fired from an F-18 did a 180° over-the-shoulder kill (and the F-18 does not have a MAWS).
As far as I know there is no credible evidence that the MAWS is used to detect aircraft. That’s the sort of feature which would be a major selling point so you would have expected to see it advertised if it could be used for that. The ability for the MAWS to detect aircraft is also not mentioned in any of these documents:
- The Eurofighter design requirements
- The Praetorian DASS Brochure
- The AMIDS MAWS Brochure
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Yeah you’re probably right, hope they maybe at least fix the range so it won’t be useless and kept turned off because it’ll just be a debuff.
Yeah that’s what we need to focus our effort on.
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Multiple nations having OP things make it less OP.
More the point that no smaller nation can have technology before a larger one.
We wont have this capability until the US has an AIM 9X
Blue rings are 20nmi each (37km), its one of the great annoyances of trying to use the DASS display on WT maps, which even at their largest are so small (126x126km) that the DASS display literally covers more than half the map, making it hard to accurately judge how near a threat is.
Arguably speaking, there’s nothing that would explicitly prevent the MAWS from detecting aircrafts either considering it can detect, categorize, and track multiple missiles simultaneously.
It would likely have to willingly be avoiding detecting aircrafts, which is a possibility, but a rather dubious one seeing as it wouldn’t be very good at being a MAWS if it was actively avoiding looking at what might be firing missiles…
It would not surprise me one bit for the MAWS to be pulling double duty as an alternate sensor as well. We know all other sensors on the EFT can be used for target tracking, itd be odd for the radar MAWS out of all of them to not be able to do so. That being said, that’s not an argument that would fly with gaijin either.
The point still stands that there is no credible evidence anywhere that it is used to detect / track aircraft. If it were possible you would expect to have seen somewhere reliable mention it by now.
The MAWS antenna can probably physically detect an aircraft but that doesn’t mean the system is capable of tracking that aircraft and reporting it’s location to the aircraft’s systems. It probably focuses on its job of determining what contacts are approaching missiles and reporting only those.
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@WereCat888 @kensai16 and everyone else. In order to have the best chance of reporting the MAWS (I’ve not been able to test it myself yet, but it sounds like it needs it), I need your help to collect as many videos / examples as possible falling into three distinct categories:
- The MAWS not detecting a missile that poses a threat
- The MAWS detecting something that poses no threat (flares, a random missile flying away from you, etc.)
- The MAWS detecting a threatening missile but at uselessly short range (i.e. a range where it is impractical to respond to the missile effectively)
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I currenty don’t have the Dev Server installed sadly, so I can’t check it myself until live server as my free time is limited too currently.
Do you have something on the azimuth and elevation opening angle of the antennas of the MAW? I couldn’t find anything about it (neither it being ±45° nor ±60° in elevation, but it has to be ±60° in azimuth for the stated 360° coverage). Funnily enough, the “eurodass” website gives a security warning because of an expired certificate.
Does anyone know if there will be 2 devservers or if they just plan to jump to live again?
One long dev with updates is their preference now, rather than smaller ones for each version of the dev