Typhoon still cant detect Pantsir. Either that or the Pantsir can track through clouds without radar
The pantsir radar appears as “S1” when active, if the pantsir is using irst then it only appears as “?” when it’s tracking you (and because the pantsir has that multi-track thing it appears even if it’s not locking you I think).
The more annoying part is that if there’s a ka or mi they also appear as a “?” so your awareness gets muddled a bit.
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The thing is. In the match where this happened. Thick cloud coverage, I could not see the ground at all with my tpod and was cruising at 20k ft and mach 1.2+.
I could see the Pantsir tracking me but didnt defend (hard turns and flares/chaff) because I got no launch warning or hard lock . Figuring it would have to fire using radar guidance and not IRST because of teh cloud coverage. Nope. was still just being tracked but the Pantsir easily hit me at that alt and speed.
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Yeah, i noticed that sometimes you don’t get launch warning, and i think that’s not accurate as the plane should still pick up on the missile guidance signal, like with rolands or vt1, even when the pantsir is using irst.
There’s some inconsistency for sure with the eurofighter rwr but it needs to be tested.
IE: Going in a custom match and demonstrating the behaviour.
I figured the K-band fixes we got the otehr day would address that but unfortunately not
I mean according to this source and this one it provides target illumination and missile command in X-band which is I-band in NATO and target tracking in Ku/K-band (gaijin gave it K band so maybe they have better sources) which is J/K-band in NATO and its search radar (incorrectly named in WT, it should be 2RL80) operates in S-band which is E/F-band in NATO, so even without the K-band RWR it should still detect the radar and launch signal.
So the Eurofighter should know every action the Pantsir takes especially as the 95Ya6 is still a radio command guided missile and should have a launch warning like the Rolands and VT1.
Unless i missed something and there’s a reason it can’t.
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You forgot that Stalinium blocks the launch warnings
Detection of a specific band of radar signals does not mean that it will catch it due to a fancy feature of all modern radars - low probability of intercept.
And that’s why we can’t detect pantsir launch?
Lpi radars aren’t even modeled in game i think.
There is a secondary source which describe the time a Typhoon was locked up by a S-300/400 during Op Shader and the DASS was able to determine exactly what state the radar was in.
I dont think its unreasonable to asssume the Typhoon would be able to detect a Pantsir has launched a missile .Its also wierd the Pantsir is the ONLY SPAA with that feature, All other SAMs give launch warnings when fired in radar mode
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If we had LPI in game, ASRAD-R would be chilling, but you can easly detect it no matter what.
Were they using LPI at the time? To my knowledge they’re sometimes aware of when even an F-22 is locking them because those modes aren’t being utilized for one reason or another.
I don’t think it is a feature, and I think Gaijin would air on not implementing it for balance reasons anyway.
As would others, but that is an aside.
does putting radar in LPI have adverse effects? i dont see why else it would be its own mode
You don’t want the enemy constantly picking up your emissions in LPI / similar modes, I’d assume that is standard EW etiquette. That, and in multi-national wargames they always like to force one side or the other to be at a disadvantage.
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Then go find something else about to complain.
Is that an issue IRL planes suffer from too?
I doubt it, the TWS algorithm they use will account for huge spikes in velocity and difference in RCS. So the missile if detected would be assigned it’s own track file rather than switching.
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Sounds like such a simple fix to make within the game… if only software coding was as straight forward.
Might be a side effect of them trying to keep the radars easier to notch
Typhoon FGR.4 doesn’t see pantsir’s launch warning // Gaijin.net // Issues
It’s actually been reported a month ago and already accepted, hope it won’t stay in limbo forever.
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