Definitely are after the Su-34 KH-38 was added even things like Marksman spaag can reliably lock and track missiles.
Before this change you wouldnt be able to lock it.
Stormer and ADATs are the same the only SAM that could shoot down ordinance reliably was…you guessed it the Pantsir.
Interviews with manufacturers do count as primary
that bug report contains information that you cant see.
So stop talking without actual information about it.
Maybe the radar bugs out in practice, but the range should not be that small:
15 km for a 0.03 m^2 target. This is for the tracking radar (multifunction radar, as they call it), which can also scan for targets, so maybe the figure is worse for the search radar.
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Which is what I said, go find someone else to argue with
Probably got the number wrong, cant find the source atm so take that number with a massive pinch of salt, either way seems wrong that the airborne radars in-game barring the newest/most powerful ones can pick up missiles reliably at extended ranges.
They should model the RCS of missiles better, would give the R-77 a huge disadvantage.
Looking around the Leonardo offerings, they seem to quote ~4-24km, or so. So it seems to very much be system specific and be about what could be expected. Especially if we consider any potential for RCS being actively taken into account in the design of the missile, since they don’t exactly state the assumed RCS / velocity for each category.
Typhoon still cant detect Pantsir. Either that or the Pantsir can track through clouds without radar
The pantsir radar appears as “S1” when active, if the pantsir is using irst then it only appears as “?” when it’s tracking you (and because the pantsir has that multi-track thing it appears even if it’s not locking you I think).
The more annoying part is that if there’s a ka or mi they also appear as a “?” so your awareness gets muddled a bit.
The thing is. In the match where this happened. Thick cloud coverage, I could not see the ground at all with my tpod and was cruising at 20k ft and mach 1.2+.
I could see the Pantsir tracking me but didnt defend (hard turns and flares/chaff) because I got no launch warning or hard lock . Figuring it would have to fire using radar guidance and not IRST because of teh cloud coverage. Nope. was still just being tracked but the Pantsir easily hit me at that alt and speed.
Yeah, i noticed that sometimes you don’t get launch warning, and i think that’s not accurate as the plane should still pick up on the missile guidance signal, like with rolands or vt1, even when the pantsir is using irst.
There’s some inconsistency for sure with the eurofighter rwr but it needs to be tested.
IE: Going in a custom match and demonstrating the behaviour.
I figured the K-band fixes we got the otehr day would address that but unfortunately not
I mean according to this source and this one it provides target illumination and missile command in X-band which is I-band in NATO and target tracking in Ku/K-band (gaijin gave it K band so maybe they have better sources) which is J/K-band in NATO and its search radar (incorrectly named in WT, it should be 2RL80) operates in S-band which is E/F-band in NATO, so even without the K-band RWR it should still detect the radar and launch signal.
So the Eurofighter should know every action the Pantsir takes especially as the 95Ya6 is still a radio command guided missile and should have a launch warning like the Rolands and VT1.
Unless i missed something and there’s a reason it can’t.
You forgot that Stalinium blocks the launch warnings
Detection of a specific band of radar signals does not mean that it will catch it due to a fancy feature of all modern radars - low probability of intercept.
And that’s why we can’t detect pantsir launch?
Lpi radars aren’t even modeled in game i think.
There is a secondary source which describe the time a Typhoon was locked up by a S-300/400 during Op Shader and the DASS was able to determine exactly what state the radar was in.
I dont think its unreasonable to asssume the Typhoon would be able to detect a Pantsir has launched a missile .Its also wierd the Pantsir is the ONLY SPAA with that feature, All other SAMs give launch warnings when fired in radar mode
If we had LPI in game, ASRAD-R would be chilling, but you can easly detect it no matter what.